Brian Smith Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 This issue has been brought up so many times in recent classes that I've taught so I thought it would make for a great puzzle here. Attached is a Max scene with no objects in it, yet it takes on most computers several minutes to open up and save. Some may be able to open it in a few seconds, but for most it will take several minutes. Can anyone figure out the exact cause? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devres Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 I don't want to ruin it if I'm correct. I sent you a PM. It opens instantly on my machine off the network for what it's worth. BUT, I'm pretty sure I figured it out (pretty obvious when you start with a "reset" then open the file) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lester_Masterson Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Got it!...me thinks Now...how do we get around this in the future? That...that is the question /bark,bark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 I thought it was going to be "Why do people constantly post 3ds max questions in the General Discussions forum?" But then that would only drive users of other software nuts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Cassil Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 I thought it was going to be "Why do people constantly post 3ds max questions in the General Discussions forum?" That is a great question! Especially why do verteran members who contribute significantly to CGA post max questions in the general discussions forum? I'm still waiting for Jeff to create a button for "move to max forum" or "move to vray forum" for me so I can quickly teleport these threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Eloy Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 That's something I would love to see...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianKitts Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 I can't help with the puzzle, mine opened right away....so since this thread is quickly straying did brian get his answer yet....? and now to perpetuate the situation....How about a couple of user buttons for us non moderators?.....something along the lines of a RTFM button or possibly a TTSFWATOATQ button (Try The Search Function We Are Tired Of Answering That Question!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted November 28, 2007 Author Share Posted November 28, 2007 sorry about posting in the general discussion thread...although i bet it's a problem that's relevant to more programs than just max. havent heard anyone say what the cause is yet? anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lester_Masterson Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Ok, I'll bite... How would you define the search parameters for the question posed? - quick loading max files? - strange settings that slow down loading of files? - how to remove entities that make my file drag before I even open said file? - preview possible errors prior to opening MAX? I haven't RTFM* recently, but I am pretty sure that there isn't a section devoted to this. *-can't remember the last version that came with a full printed manual /snarkyness due to depleted caffeine levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted November 28, 2007 Author Share Posted November 28, 2007 Ok, I'll bite... How would you define the search parameters for the question posed? - quick loading max files? - strange settings that slow down loading of files? - how to remove entities that make my file drag before I even open said file? - preview possible errors prior to opening MAX? I haven't RTFM* recently, but I am pretty sure that there isn't a section devoted to this. *-can't remember the last version that came with a full printed manual /snarkyness due to depleted caffeine levels you lost me....i'm just posing a simple question. why exactly does the file take several minutes to load for most people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lester_Masterson Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 you lost me....i'm just posing a simple question. why exactly does the file take several minutes to load for most people? Sorry Brian, I was responding to BKittsARC's comments. In relation to your original question, I posted my answer earlier. However, I was wondering if there is a simply answer to remedy this common issue, and if there really is help in the manual or it has been discussed in other threads. If so, how would one search for an answer? /have coffee now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devres Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 The suspense is killing me... what is it already??? Not that it makes any difference on my machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lester_Masterson Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 The suspense is killing me... what is it already??? Not that it makes any difference on my machine. Check out Material Slot 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Warner Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Max is looking for a map that doesn't exist, so it takes awhile to load up while it decides it can't find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted November 28, 2007 Author Share Posted November 28, 2007 Check out Material Slot 24 bingo...well i thought that it was buried well enough but i guess you must have found through the expanded Mat/Map Browser. This is one of the most annoying problems a new user could ever be faced with in Max and thought it was worth mentioning. I'd actually categorize it as a bug because Max should not attempt to spend several minutes looking for a network that doesnt exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Eloy Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 A client had this problem a while back. He had his network reconfigured and all his previous paths became invalid. By the time I arrived, he already had 3 IT guys trying to figure what was happening, and 2 of them actually agreed on formating the whole office...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lester_Masterson Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 I'd actually categorize it as a bug because Max should not attempt to spend several minutes looking for a network that doesnt exist. So, the only real work around is to never open a file until you have opened MAX and hit RESET? /or never use textures...ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted November 28, 2007 Author Share Posted November 28, 2007 the only workaround that i know of is to disconnect from your internet connection and network and repath the problematic materials. if you do max shouldnt even attempt to find the address...which is why some could open it in a few seconds. but i'm sure some that opened it were connected and i can only imagine that has to be some network characteristic that could also be a workaround and prevent max from trying to search. would like to know if there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianKitts Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 ahhh so mine opened quickly since I didn't have my material browser opened. Once I opened the mat browser and navigated to the bad material, my system hung. that being said, brian was right to originally post in the general discussions forum, this isn't something specific to max, because I have had this same problem with director.....It's actually more of a windows problem. For instance if you open up a run prompt and type in "\\bogus computer name" it will hang for a bit while it searches out a non-existing network address. And then 15-30 secs later it will finally pop up an error saying it couldn't find it..... coincidentally bigger the network you are on.... the longer the hang. My fix for the max file would be to open it (with the material editor closed) and then to open up the asset tracker, right click on the bad file and select "strip path"..... but this isn't exactly something a newbie would know to do, so in my opinion.... it's a bug, but I think I would blame microsoft before autodesk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted November 28, 2007 Author Share Posted November 28, 2007 that being said, brian was right i'm sorry can you speak a little louder...i dont know if everyone heard you. jk yeah...duh, striping the path through the asset tracker is a good work around that i didnt think of. cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkhell Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Run the garbage collector if the file is unused in your scene, cheers "You can also invoke the collector to cause any unreferenced open files to be closed. In some situations, a file can be left open if a runtime error occurs while it is still open. If the file object was being held in a local variable at this point, it may not be possible to get at it from the Listener to force a close. Any subsequent attempts to open it may result in an "already open" error from the operating system. Running the collector will cause the file object to be reclaimed and this forces any open file associated with it to be closed." - Maxscript reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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