Tim Nelson Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 A degree of precision that is smaller than the width of a sawblade, or how much a wood door will expand on a hot humid day is a little overkill for architecture, would you not concede? Not necessarily! If architects (and their minions) go to the length of being so precise, then we, as technical illustrators, owe it to them to be true to that. Who are we to say that a millimeter doesn't matter? Granted, that may well depend on the scale of each project. But say, if one pixel was a millimeter, it probably would make a difference. If one pixel was a kilometer, then a few millimeters, or even centimeters, here or there would of course be inconsequential. Architectural illustration means a lot of things. It's our job to figure out what, case by case, regardless of the "units" being used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 I agree, the Imperial system is great for architecture because the units are at human scale. Metric is easy for math but it's got no soul. With the metric system you couldn't have had Frank Lloyd Wright or James Brown. I'm glad we Americans are stubborn and believe everything is a communist conspiracy, which has kept us from seriously considering switching. lols Its got no soul? With metric we would of had no FLW? Human scale? Its only that way because its what you have grown up with. I worked with imperial for 6 months in the US and still couldnt reverse 25 years of metric and find it bizzare that imperial still exists in architecture, but I spose its too ingrained to change now VOTE 1 BAN IMPERIAL (joking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 A degree of precision that is smaller than the width of a sawblade, or how much a wood door will expand on a hot humid day is a little overkill for architecture, would you not concede? whether or not a door opens properly is definitely a big concern for architecture, not overkill. i know i argued for ignoring 1/8th of inch for ceiling height when doing visualizations, but that is something that is for visualizations, that are not going to be construction drawings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 lols Its got no soul? With metric we would of had no FLW? Human scale? Its only that way because its what you have grown up with. I worked with imperial for 6 months in the US and still couldnt reverse 25 years of metric and find it bizzare that imperial still exists in architecture, but I spose its too ingrained to change now VOTE 1 BAN IMPERIAL (joking) The Imperial system is not bizarre. It makes perfect sense and works just fine, and no American is going to change just because some people in other countries find the measurement system we use here confusing. If you hate it that much you are free to stay in metric countries. And don't worry, I'm sure you'll be able to recover from the metric eventually. It's like any other type of Commie brainwashing device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyElNino Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 And don't worry, I'm sure you'll be able to recover from the metric eventually. It's like any other type of Commie brainwashing device. Get with the times, I thought all the bad guys were terrorists now not Commies?...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Commies are still bad guys and we're not sure what units terrorists use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest STU_P Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Now now gentlemen lets not fall out! What happens if an American company do a job for a European company and vice versa? Anyway at the end of the day each to their own, in England everyone uses a combination of metric and imperial in everday life so we're all screwed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Commies are still bad guys . . . And always will be! When I was in school, late 60's/early 70's, they started teaching us the metric system--telling us that the U.S. would convert in the next 5 years. The only thing that happened was our milk cartons now tell us how many liters a half gallon is. What a crock of . . . Up the Imperial! Down the metric! (Cue the Imperial Death March from Star Wars.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I'm voting for Imperial as well, I've lived my whole life without ever needing metric and I figure I'll die before I ever find a use for it. Like others have said for architectural work Imperial makes the most since, if I want to build a nuclear reactor I'll find someone who knows metric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Someone mentioned Farenheit, so Ill chime in with my Imperial/metric temp gauge preference. Fahrenheit was invented by a Polish chap in Gdansk (Mr Fahrenheit I believe) and it was long, long ago. He decided the coldest thing in the world was poland in the winter. So that is what 0 is based on. He also decided that 100 degrees Fahrenheit would be based on body temp. So there it is. Degrees C on teh other hand has a 0 at water freezing temp. It has 100 at water boiling temp (both at sea level) so I think that it is much more logical. I prefer metric temp. I fucking hate imperial anything, it contradicts my binary brain. Excuse my french. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodT Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 I can only say that I'm glad that I've got 2 feet on the ends of my legs rather than two meters, they are already big enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Why choose water boiling temp as 100? It's not even a constant. It varies depending on air pressure and impurities, and who the heck ever boils distilled water at sea level? Same goes for freezing - and don't get me started on superheating and supercooling. Might as well base it on winter at some guy's house and the temperature of a guy with a slight fever. You might as well use Kelvin, but when would you get the chance to measure absolute zero anyway? The whole thing has no more bearing on the real world than the size of Caesar's foot. Really, could there be anything more pointless than switching a country to the metric system? The more one thinks about it, the more deluded it seems that people used to think Americans would buy into this bizarre cult of a system. "We're all going to switch units! We'll all get new rulers and scales and change all the road signs and you'll never really be sure how much you're getting at the market, and there will be no benefit whatsoever! Imagine how much time and money we can waste trying to be more like Napoleon!" See, this is why it's clearly Communist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I think theres far too much talk about communism in a derogatory fashion here. I really dont reckon you americans have given Communism a fair crack of the whip..... Hows about before America dips its toe in pool of metricism, it has an introductory 3 year period of communism. Once you realise that a gram of bread is not enough and you need a thousand grams of metric bread to make a big 'kilogram' loaf, you'll appreciate the metric system a whole lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Now that's just crazy talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vizwhiz Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 communism is a political system it is a measure of how much people are willing to share with each other imperialism is a political system it is a measure of how much people are willing to take from each other ** when they build buildings they use footings, that is the foundation of archi-torture wasnt there some obscure cigarette commercial about "they are a millimeter longer?" must of been some kind of an anatomy product, back b4 electile dysfunction )Think florida( ** (btw architorture is not ILLEGAL in the US) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began? Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack. General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works. Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory? General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love. Communism is the new Nazism. Let any conversation go on long enough and it comes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I think theres far too much talk about communism in a derogatory fashion here. I really dont reckon you americans have given Communism a fair crack of the whip..... Hows about before America dips its toe in pool of metricism, it has an introductory 3 year period of communism. Once you realise that a gram of bread is not enough and you need a thousand grams of metric bread to make a big 'kilogram' loaf, you'll appreciate the metric system a whole lot more. Let's see the most powerful country that ever existed uses Imperial units, I think that settles it Oh and communism sucks, Superman thinks so as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowback Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Horray....dominating a country, taking what doesn't belong to you, telling people what to do. Imperialism for all....horray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Horray....dominating a country, I suppose Saddam didn't dominate. taking what doesn't belong to you, The US is spending $177 million per day and we're getting what exactly in return? telling people what to do. Imperialism for all....horray! Last time I checked Iraq had its own government in power who were elected by the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 What a hilarious thread! The logic produced in favour of imperial is twisted and illogical and seems to me weird. However if the shoe was on the other foot I wouldnt want to change. lols:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowback Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 I really didn't want to get drawn into this but....this Imperialism won't go away.... I suppose Saddam didn't dominate. Of course....he was a brutal dictator..... But he was hung for the crimes that he committed during a time when he was mega buds with Rums, Chan, and B Sr. The US is spending $177 million per day and we're getting what exactly in return? That is a really good question. You and all your fellow citizens should be asking those questions.....Loudly. Last time I checked Iraq had its own government in power who were elected by the people. Running Iraq, thats for the people of Iraq to decide , NOT AMERICA. It is weired how this thread has progressed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodT Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/21365.shtml From the Vancouver Sun, is an interesting story on how Canada views it's own foreign aid situation. Same situation, in many ways, that I see the US is dealing with. I can't see where we are all that different, unless the Sun is Like our NY Times. I'm tiring of all the money that is taken from my family and me going to causes that never is given credit for the good that is does. Guess it is just easier to throw stones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Who mentioned Iraq? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowback Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Good article, I am in no way saying that Canada is better or morally Superior. No way. We are right there, all over the world profiting off other peoples misery. All I was doing is was having a little jab at how quickly it seems people love to tell people how to live. and if they don't listen, we beat them up. War, greed, corruption....it's all so brown...I hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vizwhiz Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 W.A.R. We Are Right (anybody remember my all-Time favorite TV show "The Dinosaurs"?) They had a hilarious skit of (now extinct) dinosaurs throwing sticks & stones We Are Righteous we are right-wing (ok, so its election day or at least Super Tuesday here in The US) bit of US history Trivia, Arizona is The ONLY State in The Union To ever invade a foreign country, Mexico 1968 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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