gfa2 Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I got an email from my Autodesk reseller and it had a link to some Max 2009 info. Looks like there will be a new spin-off of Max for us architectural types called 3ds Max Design 2009. http://www.hagerman.com/Products/2009/3dsmax_design_2009.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Eloy Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Sounds like Viz all over again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Is it like Viz, as in Max minus stuff? They're talking about it like it's actually Max plus stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Eloy Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I think so. Everytime I read an Autodesk paper saying "optimized for" I actually read "minus a bunch of features WE think you don't need". But I might just be wrong and maybe this is Max plus nice stuff. Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Warner Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 It say's it's perfect for in house viz people or people who specialize in arch viz, so I'm sure it's a new name for Viz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Forreal Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 does anyone know if it will feature the new "Exposure™ technology"?! lol - they must have repeated it a dozen times! sounds exactly like viz to me, but what do i know? there was me hoping i was gonna read all about the new precision tools... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dmillermeter Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 more info MAX 2009 http://area.autodesk.com/index.php/blogs_ken/blog_detail/3ds_max_design_and_3ds_max_2009_announced/ Why two? We've decided that the best way to focus on Entertainment and Design/Vis solutions is to customize the user experience accordingly. So, we now have two versions of your favorite product to choose from. At the same time, we will be de-emphasizing VIZ to customers and encouraging them to shift to 3ds Max Design. This is one of the reasons we created 3ds Max Design - to give VIZ users a clear path to 3ds Max and something they can fully leverage. At this time, we are not releasing all the information about the two new flavors, but that will come as we officially launch the products later this quarter. So, I don't actually want to duplicate all that information here, just deal with the major points: 1. 3ds Max Design 2009 includes 100% of the features in 3ds Max 2009 - except for the SDK 2. 3ds Max Design has the new Exposure lighting analysis feature, 3ds Max 2009 does not Those are the critical differences you need to know about. We're also working on making each product a richer experience for the specific set of users, so you'll see evidence of this in tutorials, samples, application defaults, etc. They are 100% data compatible and they are actually the same binary. We think this should be the policy moving forwards as it means you'll always be able to mix/match these versions without fear of data loss. The incredible success of 3ds Max in both Entertainment and Design/Vis gives us the ability to drive BOTH markets with increased resources. This is all tied up with the fact that we've also doubled our engineering resources. Yes, we expect that you'll be a little confused by this news, but it will be clearer as time moves on. Subscription users will get BOTH installs, so they can play with either one and we'll have trial versions of both up on the web at ship date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billabong Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 it will only be great if the exposure technology will work with Vray, but i doubt that will be possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billabong Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 well here is one note that he said which will be keeping me from using 2009 design for awhile NOTE: Due to being forced to move to the latest SP of Visual Studio, plug-ins for 3ds Max 2008 will NOT work with 3ds Max 2009. All existiing 2008 plugins will have to be recompiled (there are no SDK changes - just a compiler change) in order for it to work with max 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Eloy Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 My guess is they're trying to make us use less third party plugins such as VRay by introducing new "exclusive" tools that work only with Mental Ray (and are also slowly leaving their very own radiosity behind). I mean, it's kind of hard to look at your own showcase and see that most images used a third party software to be accomplished, so they're trying to push mr more and more. But then again, Autodesk is not exactly good at knowing what their customers want (remember when they discontinued Lightscape and Viz?)... Well, let's wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt McDonald Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Its minus the SDK plus a light analysis tool. Regular Max gets the SDK but not the light analysis tool. Both versions get some upgrades to Mental Ray which sound nice: mental ray • ProMaterials • New mental ray Proxy Objects • Enhanced Accessibility of Production Shaders • Enhanced Per-object Render Settings • Improved Render Final Gather and Global Illumination • New mental ray Render Elements As far as the plugins go, they say that plugins will only need to be recompliled using the new version of Visual Studio so plugins will not require a rewrite. This should mean that commercial plugins will be updated quickly but who knows how long it will take to get the freebies updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billabong Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 well the guys over at cgtalk are having a ball ripping Autodesk a new one on this so called big news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 My guess is they're trying to make us use less third party plugins such as VRay by introducing new "exclusive" tools that work only with Mental Ray (and are also slowly leaving their very own radiosity behind). I mean, it's kind of hard to look at your own showcase and see that most images used a third party software to be accomplished, so they're trying to push mr more and more. But then again, Autodesk is not exactly good at knowing what their customers want (remember when they discontinued Lightscape and Viz?)... Well, let's wait... You make "making the mental ray interface actually usable" sound so sinister. I disagree completely - most of the stuff they've added for mental ray in recent versions has already been available for other render engines and they've been working to catch up. For my part, I'm glad that now I can get a good render without first having to convince my firm to pay even more than they already have for the software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Eloy Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Both versions get some upgrades to Mental Ray which sound nice: mental ray • ProMaterials • New mental ray Proxy Objects • Enhanced Accessibility of Production Shaders • Enhanced Per-object Render Settings • Improved Render Final Gather and Global Illumination • New mental ray Render Elements So I guess I'm right. They ARE trying to push mr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vizwhiz Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 dont forget VIZ (was/is) about HALF price of MAX now if There is ONLY 2 MAX versions, Then you will ONLY be able To buy MAX aT The Full prices = MAX other Than That it might be an interesting upgrade or is it update? i finally went To The full version of MAX but using it like VIZ at The minimum forget why exactly i did That ??? hey Chester send me an email are you still hanging out at DGD? randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmundy Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Well I bought Viz 2007 and have since upgraded to 2008... for home use. No REALLY, I don't use a bootleg copy of Max at home. I ACTUALLY bought Viz for my freelance projects so I'd be legit & legal. I really don't want the Viz pricing to go away with the advent of Max Design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt McDonald Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 So I guess I'm right. They ARE trying to push mr. I've got no problem with Autodesk improving mental ray. In my opinion, with the addition of the proxy object MR becomes a very compelling alternative to V-Ray and that's great because its less expensive. My point regarding the plugin recompile is that V-Ray, Brazil, etc. should all be able to update quickly and painlessly. Make no mistake, I think it stinks that Autodesk wants to pursue a two application solution especially when the differences seem so arbitrary and not mutually exclusive but mental ray updates are great and I'm all on board with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Eloy Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I don't have a problem with that either. I'm just saying they're releasing a "new" software that seems to be simply a mr upgrade, not a focused design package. A few points made here sound valid: - Viz was cheaper than Max. So, we are led to believe they are forcing customers to buy a more expensive software to do the exact same thing they did before. - The so called improvements seem to be focused on mr, meaning they're really afraid of people not upgrading their softwares because they have everything they need already (i.e., VRay or other renderer running). This has happened to Maya a few years ago. - There is a huge (really, huge) wishlist here on CGA for Max. From what we can tell (at least now), none of the wishes are making an appearance in the new Max. I'd rather have a couple of those wishes granted than a mr upgrade that makes it look more like VRay... Again, this whole thing won't affect our daily work (at least not for some time). But it does sound to me as this is one of those upgrades I'll simply pass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thox Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I've got no problem with Autodesk improving mental ray. I haven't got a problem with this, except it isn't Autodesk improving Mental Ray, it's Mental Images. So if you look at the improvements that Autodesk have included in this release, it's minimal and disappointing. Granted it has only been 6 months since the last release, but even still Autodesk are getting worse at improving one of there flagship products. Thox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macer Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Its a good upgrade opportunity for those on VIZ subscription - only $249 during April, May and June to get Max Design! http://www.worldpressdays08.com/pages/doc/products/3ds_Max_Design_2009_press_release.pdf I think some of the extra features in MR sound good - can't wait to try proxies. http://www.worldpressdays08.com/pages/doc/products/3ds_Max_Design_2009_press_release.pdf I wonder if now that nvidia own mental images it will be up and rendering on gpu's as well as our cpu's in the not to distant future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 mental ray itself isn't changing that much in these releases - the real upgrades are to the interfac between Max and mr, and other Max features somewhat related to mr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upshot Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 What's the bottom line? How much for '3d Studio Max Design 9 (formerly known as VIZ)' seat.... Any word? Anyone venture to guess if it will work with my favorite plug-in... Finaltoon?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Eloy Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 The same as regular Max, i.e., around US$ 3,500.00. Jeff posted the official release in the news section. Plugins will have to be recompiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 The thing that really ticks me off about this so called upgrade is that subscription users have to pay extra. I'm still using Max 9 because even though I've got Max 2008 I've seen absolutely no reason to upgrade, the same goes for this version. Maybe I’ll wait about 10 years to upgrade, that way there might be a significant change from Max 9 to Max 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vizwhiz Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 not sure if anyone already posted This http://www.worldpressdays08.com/pages/doc/products/3ds_Max_2009_3ds_Max_Design_2009_FAQ1.pdf FAQ for max 2k9 and 2k9 Design i am still reading but got a deadline so swamp Thru This at your own risk Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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