Aaron2004 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Hurry 3DATS guys....find>replace all mentions of VIZ before the next print of your new books! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianKitts Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 absolutley hilarous!!!..... I just got home and checked my email, only to find this. Ultimate proof that autodesk wants you to stop using viz! http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/oc/offer/form?siteID=123112&id=10722458&src=EMIV&ch=EM&mktvar001=84640 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchrender Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Well try this one.............. As someone said recently. "Can i have a kiss with that please" "why" they ask " I like to be kissed when I am getting Sc__wed" Lets be honest. Do you think they will do the same with autcad 2D, stop the production of it, and force everybody to switch to BIM. The CAD Mafia................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfienoakes Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 What I find really quite bizzare, is people are talking about streamlining, and that it makes no sense to have 2 separate programs; Viz and Max, going in the same direction, yet how do they solve this..... Thats right, they get rid of Viz, and..... (amalgamate them into one program to save running two similar programs..???) .. Nope.. They create Viz Part B.. sorry.. Max Design... Another different program to Viz.. and Max....?? Nicely streamlined.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Twyman Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Surely this can only limit peoples creativity and workflow! The best thing about max is (was) that whatever you needed to do whether it was Design Viz or character animation max has the tools and they are all in the same place so they can be used seamlessly together. Ok you might not use all of them all of the time (if at all) but you knew that they were there if you needed them. I am a freelancer and although the majority of my work is Design Viz I still need the tools to do everything if the job requires it. I can see that to people who work solely in Design Viz it might seem like a good move, but surely at no time over the last 10 years as the design viz industry been closer to the film and entertainment industry! So to suddenly draw a line down the middle and say that this is that and that is this seems bizarre! Ok so at the moment the only thing that Max 2009 Design doesn’t have is the SDK. Then why not just add that as well and have one version? Or is this just the beginning of the differences? I would think it is, otherwise what is the point? I appreciate the interface and workflow difference between the different types of work but isn’t that what the Custom UI and defaults switcher is for? I’m sure that could have been improved rather than resorting to two versions, where is the flexibility. Another thing mentioned is that they will have separate “tailored online experiences”! I’m pretty sure we don’t need two different versions to have to separate links in the help menu. Just to finish, (because I could probably go on) isn’t it the same as when VIZ was introduced as a tool just for Design Viz! What happened there, visualizations got more advanced and everyone started needing to use max. This industry is all about flexibility and being able to adapt to what a certain project requires, I’m sure this can’t be the way forward I think Autodesk already has enough different products we don’t need to segregate it anymore. (Finally!! Is it the beginning of phasing out max in the entertainment industries and focusing on Maya? That’s another story) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyca Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Surely this can only limit peoples creativity and workflow! The best thing about max is (was) that whatever you needed to do whether it was Design Viz or character animation max has the tools and they are all in the same place so they can be used seamlessly together. Ok you might not use all of them all of the time (if at all) but you knew that they were there if you needed them. I am a freelancer and although the majority of my work is Design Viz I still need the tools to do everything if the job requires it. I can see that to people who work solely in Design Viz it might seem like a good move, but surely at no time over the last 10 years as the design viz industry been closer to the film and entertainment industry! So to suddenly draw a line down the middle and say that this is that and that is this seems bizarre! [/size][/font] ya man, i agree totally with that, you say it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Really? I can see this ending up costing people more money (the people who already use Viz can upgrade for $250, which sounds like a good value to me, but the people who would have bought it in the future will have to pay Max prices instead of Viz. As far as creativity and workflow, I don't see how this can limit them as no features or compatibility are being subtracted. Basically anybody who's not a computer programmer should buy the design version. I think people need to actually read the material on this, because anybody who doesn't use the SDK (and if you don't know for sure that you use it, then you don't use it) wouldn't lose any functionality by going from either Viz or Max to the design version of Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Twyman Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 As far as creativity and workflow, I don't see how this can limit them as no features or compatibility are being subtracted. Basically anybody who's not a computer programmer should buy the design version. I think people need to actually read the material on this, because anybody who doesn't use the SDK (and if you don't know for sure that you use it, then you don't use it) wouldn't lose any functionality by going from either Viz or Max to the design version of Max. I agree at the moment there doesn't seem to be any loss apart from the sdk. So why have two versions? I am more worried about future versions and the path I can see everything taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I'd assume the two versions are for marketing or business reasons. Having Max for Design lets them tell Viz users "here's what you should buy" and offer it as part of their AEC line. We're probably going to be seeing more convergence of the user interfaces, like a few Viz versions ago when they added ADT-like palettes as an alternative to Max-like interfaces, so the two Max versions are going to have different look-and-feels in the default settings. I think the good news is that there's no reason for the products to diverge very far - the more different the two versions of Max are, the more they need to invest in developing and testing the software, which is probably one of their incentives to make the change in the first place. Why spend the extra time and money writing Viz when it's going to be market two versions of Max instead? And the situation of the current Viz version being 6 months behind the current Max version, and Max 2008 being a version newer than Viz 2008, isn't doing anybody any good either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason L Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Really? I can see this ending up costing people more money (the people who already use Viz can upgrade for $250, which sounds like a good value to me, but the people who would have bought it in the future will have to pay Max prices instead of Viz. Going to cost a heck of a lot more than $250 for Viz users to migrate to the new Design version of Max. I checked with my reseller and they said that there is a $1570 fee to crossgrade to Max. They are able to transfer the annual $250 subscription fee over to the new Max product, however. Add in taxes and shipping, and the whole shabang comes to $1770. Not all impressed with this as my old version of Viz did everything I needed and I use VRAY rather than Mental Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Going to cost a heck of a lot more than $250 for Viz users to migrate to the new Design version of Max. I checked with my reseller and they said that there is a $1570 fee to crossgrade to Max. They are able to transfer the annual $250 subscription fee over to the new Max product, however. Add in taxes and shipping, and the whole shabang comes to $1770. Not all impressed with this as my old version of Viz did everything I needed and I use VRAY rather than Mental Ray. Sounds like everybody's got to take their cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Going to cost a heck of a lot more than $250 for Viz users to migrate to the new Design version of Max. I checked with my reseller and they said that there is a $1570 fee to crossgrade to Max. They are able to transfer the annual $250 subscription fee over to the new Max product, however. Add in taxes and shipping, and the whole shabang comes to $1770. Not all impressed with this as my old version of Viz did everything I needed and I use VRAY rather than Mental Ray. The reseller has it wrong. The pricing is clearly stated in the press release. From March 31, 2008 to July 17, 2008, existing Autodesk VIZ 2008 software Subscription customers will be able to cross-grade to 3ds Max Design 2009 for US$249**. During this same timeframe, Autodesk VIZ 2006, 2007, and 2008 customers who are not on Autodesk Subscription will be able to cross-grade to 3ds Max Design 2009 for US$895**, if they purchase Autodesk Subscription for 3ds Max Design 2009. You implied that you're on subscription, so call them in April and tell them you're going to crossgrade at the promotional price. Really, guys, why the nimbyism? This is a good thing for design types. If you don't care about anything except a pipeline to Vray, good for you, don't buy it. But obviously Autodesk can't rely on everybody paying extra for Vray and they are improving the rendering capabilities for mental ray users, which is exactly what they should have been doing for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieLeon Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Hmmm....I gonna stick with Max anyways, but this looks like a great opportunity for another software company to offer VIZ users a better/cheaper option. Is there anything else that comes close to competing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Eloy Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Really, guys, why the nimbyism? This is a good thing for design types. If you don't care about anything except a pipeline to Vray, good for you, don't buy it. But obviously Autodesk can't rely on everybody paying extra for Vray and they are improving the rendering capabilities for mental ray users, which is exactly what they should have been doing for years. I think what nobody understands here is "why have 2 different softwares if the difference is the lack of a SDK and 2 or 3 tools?". If the regular flavor doesn't include these and that's it, why would one buy it in first place? What people really want is not included in this new product. If they released a Design version with improved snapping (intersection, center...), better CAD integration (3 different ways to import the same file?), mudbox... then I'm sure people would crave for the new version. Otherwise, it just sounds like they're keeping their annual upgrades policy and nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Hunt Posted February 15, 2008 Share Posted February 15, 2008 remeamber that they havnt release "all" the new features, in fact they have deliberately left them out. I see this stage as the "Let them vent thier frustration now, and get over it " faze. For some time now the demise of viz has been predicted, I am not going to say I told you so, heck I just did. I do feel for the smaller studios who use viz, the extra cost will hurt at first . My theory as to the two versions, "Design" will become the next Viz and the other will become the next Maxa. As to Vray, come on get real, Adesk invested in metalray so of cause its going to push mentalray. Its up to chaos to develope Vray, not Adesk. It is a plugin after all. I saw some of the Reveal screen grabs (which shouldnt have been posted) and it looks interesting. The mentalray updated are long awaited and sound very exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robk Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Wait till everyone finds out that Autodesk has been planning this for years and everyone using Vis will have there software self distruct in a week or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidR Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 I never saw the sense in maintaining 2 separate programs that basically did the same thing. ...so I guess Max + Maya will be merged next (and then split 6 months later). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidR Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 Going to cost a heck of a lot more than $250 for Viz users to migrate to the new Design version of Max. I checked with my reseller and they said that there is a $1570 fee to crossgrade to Max. They are able to transfer the annual $250 subscription fee over to the new Max product, however. Add in taxes and shipping, and the whole shabang comes to $1770. Not all impressed with this as my old version of Viz did everything I needed and I use VRAY rather than Mental Ray. On the other hand, some friends of mine using Viz because their company is too cheap to buy Max, are going to be happy when their boss's arm is twisted. Not so great for the freelancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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