Tommy Burns Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Indeed I need a lie down!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chow choppe Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 hahah tommy i think most of us can take this thread to few more pages anyway I Respect everyone's opinion but a little disappointed to not get the right information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leed Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 I think you would probable learn a lot more by looking at the images and, in your own work, try to replicate what you like about them... look at the composition of the images, camera angles and the way they work the lighting. Find out what YOU like and have a go.... I tell you you will develop better that way than having everything spelt out to you.... Just have a go and learn. The 'make good' button does not exist in any software I have looked at... just study and learn. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chow choppe Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 i think most of the people are interested in commenting on my questions once i start testing oka if thats the way to go i will ask specific questions from now and once i hit RENDER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Burns Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Ok some of you guys are really missing the point here. I must admit when I first started on visualisation 4 years ago I thought that there might be a way to standardise a few settings and in a way there is but someone in this forum told me you must know what the settings do to improve as you go. I took this recommendation on board and have been teaching myself ever since with in my opinion and others good results so far. I always log into this forum everyday and if I see a post that I can help with I will always try and give a hand cos lets face it I have learned more than enough from you guys. I really really really don't want to copy other peoples work this is not what I am looking for here I am constantly trying my own thing. In my office there is about 150 people and probably the same amount abroad in other offices. I am constantly getting asked questions about how to do things in 2D and 3D it's part of my job. I love to help people so if someone asks me how did I do a certain image I tell them. They are not going to magically know how to do it there and then but at least it gives them an idea. I think I would get a few funny looks and a P45 (termination of employment) if I told them "you have to develop your own style and find out for yourself like I did". I am no stranger to teaching myself believe me and one of the reasons I love this job is that it is constantly changing therefore any help is greatly appreciated. This is why I love helping people not everyone is the same I suppose and I have had run-ins with people who just don't want to help. This doesn't bother me to much as I will eventually find out myself usually with the help of you guys here and well then it's swings and roundabouts really. If I was spending my time looking for the "magic wand" I would have left this industry long ago. So I hope this clarifys what I am on about and I think Chow is on the same wavelength. ("Give a man a fish feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish feed him for life") nuff said!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chow choppe Posted February 26, 2008 Author Share Posted February 26, 2008 tommy i agree with you and now feel you are wasting your effort now as you will again have ten answers to this but not what you want So keep trying even if u have a deadline tomorrow , or even u dont have that much time to practice liek u had during ur college days, stop taking projects because you have to spend time to learn each and everything through F1. this is how an artist develops his taste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyElNino Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 "Give a man a fish feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish feed him for life" I don't like fish... "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Burns Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Thats a very good point too Chow not everyone has a lot of time to learn or teach themselves and sometimes a little help or direction goes a long way. I am one of the lucky ones as I have had a lot of time to learn in work. This is partially because I have created a good quick workflow for myself, a good understanding boss and an interest to teach myself at home. I do understand what all the others have said I just don't know why they can't see our side of it?? Hopefully this is my last post on the subject I beginning to annoy myself:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Burns Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Yeah and "people in greenhouses always get burned":p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
znotlin Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 you attract more bees with honey than you do vinegar. If I was one of the artists you were so intent to get insight from I'd be so fed up with you throwing me under the bus by now no way would I ever consider sharing anything with you. Sorry, but it is their perogative and you need to either respect it, or use your frustration as incentive to go out and kick their butts work wise. We do see where you're coming from, but it isn't a realistic position. You're asking for something for nothing, and while I totally respect Brian Smith, in all honesty he is selling a book and help he gives here is good marketing for him and helpful for you -aka a win, win. But that is not the case for everyone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy shand Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 you can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead.. but seriously......a lot of those chinese images all happen in photoshop ..thats where the workflow comes together ...layer upon layer in a very complex psd...layer masks ect. and they have production lines.... one guy does this another is an expert in that.. a while ago one chinese guy fell out with another and released the whole library of work and projects on a dvd a started selling it..... a real eye opener.....so many nested layers. in fact they often have these psd rigs in a huge library and just drop in the latest building .. and background image and pull a few maks around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chow choppe Posted February 28, 2008 Author Share Posted February 28, 2008 you attract more bees with honey than you do vinegar. If I was one of the artists you were so intent to get insight from I'd be so fed up with you throwing me under the bus by now no way would I ever consider sharing anything with you. Sorry, but it is their perogative and you need to either respect it, or use your frustration as incentive to go out and kick their butts work wise. We do see where you're coming from, but it isn't a realistic position. You're asking for something for nothing, and while I totally respect Brian Smith, in all honesty he is selling a book and help he gives here is good marketing for him and helpful for you -aka a win, win. But that is not the case for everyone.... u were not sharing in any case and no one is frustrated here. and to mention that i dont mind paying or investing in learning but who is willing to teach here? Thread closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chow choppe Posted February 28, 2008 Author Share Posted February 28, 2008 you can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead.. but seriously......a lot of those chinese images all happen in photoshop ..thats where the workflow comes together ...layer upon layer in a very complex psd...layer masks ect. and they have production lines.... one guy does this another is an expert in that.. a while ago one chinese guy fell out with another and released the whole library of work and projects on a dvd a started selling it..... a real eye opener.....so many nested layers. in fact they often have these psd rigs in a huge library and just drop in the latest building .. and background image and pull a few maks around. thanks Andy I had bought crystal Cg libraries and saw what u r mentioning But that PSd thing was more for compositing the image i am trying to know how the hell they have such picture perfect backgrounds? and from where do they do tehir cut pasting like pools , water bodies, waterfalls, lawns etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Burns Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 you can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead.. but seriously......a lot of those chinese images all happen in photoshop ..thats where the workflow comes together ...layer upon layer in a very complex psd...layer masks ect. and they have production lines.... one guy does this another is an expert in that.. a while ago one chinese guy fell out with another and released the whole library of work and projects on a dvd a started selling it..... a real eye opener.....so many nested layers. in fact they often have these psd rigs in a huge library and just drop in the latest building .. and background image and pull a few maks around. Well fair play to ya Andy thats all I wanted to know!!!! Now wasn't that easy information to give without giving away any trade secrets. Now I know what road to be going down if I wanted to produce something similar. ie.nested layers, production lines, psd rigs etc. Actually only recently I have really realised the power of PS and have been using it alot more as most of my work is conceptual. Also I wasn't bashing or moaning about just the one person I was talking in general about the helping of others and how I think it should work. They have already said in another post that they where thinking of doing a bit of a tutorial so I was careful not to annoy them. (my names Billy Hunt not Silly ----). I do agree that it is a persons perogative whether they want to help others I just feel if someone helps me I'll help them and God knows in this industry you take all the help you can get. Some like to share others don't. If I have learned anything out of this post it is how to type faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 geeeeezzz 3dmaxed, use your eyes, google and photoshop. its not rocket science just experiment -if you spent some of the time you spent posting trying stuff out you would be alot better off! don't see why you would want the get and use the same backgrounds entourage etc anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 you'll also find there's a million and one ways to skin cat. just because an artist might decide that PSD methods work for him, why should it work for you? 3dsmaxed, have you considered that the majority of what you're after is down to user skill and ability rather than methodology? if the artist explains his methods why assume thats the way you'll achieve similar? you're assuming it's the way to go. you'll find a lot of pros use unorthodox methods that works nicely just for them. methods that cant be taught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chow choppe Posted February 29, 2008 Author Share Posted February 29, 2008 geeeeezzz 3dmaxed, use your eyes, google and photoshop. its not rocket science just experiment -if you spent some of the time you spent posting trying stuff out you would be alot better off! don't see why you would want the get and use the same backgrounds entourage etc anyway. because i dont know how to find good backgrounds i have tried google bought libararies also but dont seem to get the right images Bad luck:-( thanks strat for your suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kippu Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 how about taking photographs yourself.. that hsould work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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