aligrafix Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I want to buy another card but I want to know that either I should again purchase NVidea GeForce 8800GT 512MB or I can buy Quadro FX1700? Does Quadro FX perform better than 8800 for 3D Animation playback, Textures and gaming for high detail projects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Buchhofer Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 We've got both running here, they are very comparable in speed in max, with the 1700 edging out the 8800 slightly for max (Mainly with shaded/edges), and the 8800 destroying the 1700 for use in games though the 1700 is holding up decently in the lunchtime UT3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aligrafix Posted March 17, 2008 Author Share Posted March 17, 2008 This means that i should get the Quadro haan? Thanks. I dont want gaming in max. I just need clear textures and shades as well as good animation playback for high detailed structures. Well, I am going for Quadro. Thanks buddy.....Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Buchhofer Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 they're both good.. truthfully, i got a larger speed jump from going from max9 to max2008 than i did between the 1700 and 8800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aligrafix Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 Great but which card was the best? 1700 or 8800GT? Please! I want to handle large scale scenes in the max and also rendering but although VGA dsnt involve in rendering but i need high level gaming in 3dsmax. Architectural as well as animation projects will be handle and therefore, high mesh geometries create problems while creating envioronment. therefore, I was looking for better VGA Card than 8800GT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 "High level gaming in 3DSMax"??? I think what Dave is saying is that both are good, and the 1700 is a bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aligrafix Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 Speding $100 more on 1700 is better? as you said that 1700 is a bit better than 8800GT. so, what should be done for a bit better performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinger Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 My first post and I hope I can help you out. I use gpureviews.com to look at different gfx cards all the time. Now, the compare chart has no data stats for the fx1700 but you can stroll through and compare the 8800gt to other cards. http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=544&card2=558 Keep in mind when you are comparing a Quadro to a GeForce you are really comparing apples to oranges, even though they look very similar. The "taste" difference is in the drivers of the 2 types of cards. I have owned both types--Quadros and Geforces and you really can not compare the two on a hand to hand basis. It really comes down to cost/performance. It is hard to justify spending 10times as much for a card that seems generally the same but the details our those Quadro specific drivers that are only supported on Quadro cards. FYI- a direct comparsion to the 8800Gt card is the new QuadroFX3700. Now take a look at there comparison chart and then look at the price difference. http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=544&card2=552 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aligrafix Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 The difference at the link below is quiet clear that 8800GT is leading!!! for price as well as performance. So, high level gaming in max, I should buy another 8800GT... Hmmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 What do you mean by "high level gaming in Max"? Anyway, you can't go by those stats, they don't translate directly to real world performance because there is so much difference in the way the drivers run the two cards. This is why it's possibly for the 8800GT to look faster, on paper, at first glance, but not actually run Max faster. Really, you should never even look at numbers like that unless you're comparing two cards that are exactly identical except with the GPU or RAM clocked at different speeds. It's like comparing a Core2 Quad 2.4GHz to a Pentium 4 3.2GHz and deciding the P4 must be 33% faster. Just buy what you want, it's not even a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aligrafix Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 With gaming in max means, High need to create high detailed envioronment with buildings and vegitation and texturing, particle systems etc etc. So, I dont want the viewport too much jerky that i would turn on bounding box option for my some objects. I meant gaming in max with this. Therefore, Powerful VGA card doesnt give the jerk. I was requesting for the performance difference between 8800GT and Quadro 1700. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinger Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 AJ, re-read my post...I made it clear the difference really in performance is the drivers made specifically for Quadros....everyone on here, from what I have been reading, assumes they should get a Quadro but in some instances, the price per performance does not justify it. I was trying to show that the QuadroFX3700(which has been out for a month now) is the cousin of the 8800gt...you can see the difference in the specs but the Quadro for rendering will do much better as it has maximized and dedicated drivers created for rendering vs gaming. With that said, you have to think about your everyday user and see if its worth spending 4-5 times more on a card for say a certain percent of performance gain. It seems alot of people just assume that buying Quadro cards are the way to go. I can understand for certain reasons like a quadro5600, but when people are discussing buying Quadrofx1700s over a 8800gt, even though the 8800gt is a gaming card, I bet you it will render as well as the old fx1700. I think the real problem is there are not alot of direct test or comparsions of geforce cards vs. quadros....maybe because the performance would show to be about the same on the entry to mid range cards and I am sure that would hurt Nvidias bloated prices on the Quadro line. Until someone goes out and buys a Quadrofx3700 and a 8800gt and runs direct comparisons, it is anyones guess on how they perform against one another. ALi, I know you are wondering performance comparison on the FX1700. I am using the 8800gt vs fx3700 b/c they are a direct comparison in cards....Let me try and dig something up for you....btw google is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revit3D Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 This is my first post in the forums, but I'm running an FX3700 at the moment.. The FX3700 is based on the G92 Nvidia Core (same as the Geforce 8800GT) and in fact other than a few minor on the board, they are practicly identical, hardware wise.. The big difference is exactly what Nvidia claims it is.. It's the drivers, and it's the support.. I'm an Application Engineer for an Autodesk reseller.. The Quadro line of cards are "supported, tested and certified" by Autodesk and Nvidia to work with the professional software.. One of the earlier posts made a good point.. Their FX1700 video card (which is base on the same hardware as a Geforce 8600) will run faster than the Geforce 8800GT512/GTS320/640 in almost all 3D Visulization apps, and more importantly to the people spending $2-3k on a computer system and an extra $4-5k+ on the software, Nvidia/Autodesk will support their software "ONLY" if they are using Quadro (when having video issues) (or FireGL for that matter).. So, in effect, you are paying for "the support" of a better performance card, not in terms of gaming, but more specificly, in terms of supporting the $4-5k piece of software you just purchased.. I'm on my way into the office at the moment, but I plan on posting more later on.. It's good to find a forum/discussion group that focuses on what I do/teach.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aligrafix Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 Its good to hear from you Rev. I am glad. But still using the Nvidea 8800 series cards. I have not tested or use or heard from anyone about ATI FireGL. I can also go for FireGL but the budget is $330. In this range, I get 8800GT 512MB video card. Waiting for suggession to be undertaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 If you're using Revit, don't buya Geforce. I've learned that the hard way. A FireGL is excellent in Revit but a Quadro is probably going to edge it in Max. Next time I'm on a Revit project I'm going to bring in an old FireGL and swap out my 8800GTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aligrafix Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 Which fireGL is best within $300 and which one is best within $400? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 ...the most expensive one that's under the price you listed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revit3D Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Its good to hear from you Rev. I am glad. But still using the Nvidea 8800 series cards. I have not tested or use or heard from anyone about ATI FireGL. I can also go for FireGL but the budget is $330. In this range, I get 8800GT 512MB video card. Waiting for suggession to be undertaken. The 8800GT will be great for gaming and does have good performance within Revit/MAX/Maya, but I have seen "issues/errors" when using Geforce Graphics/Drivers in all of the above.. It's not about the hardware, but about the drivers and the process they go through to make sure that they work with the software, just like the Geforce group goes through to make sure their drivers are compatible with the newest/fastest games.. To be completly honest, most people never have any issues going with Geforce, but in a working enviornment, I don't like taking that chance.. The FX1700 is a little over $100 more than your budget and you can pretty much get 2x of the 8800GT's for the price of one FX1700, so it's always a tough call on an individual level.. Time for lunch, I'll be back later.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aligrafix Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 Yes of course that FX1700 is better than GeForce 8800 but I am comparising the Quadro and ATI FireGL. I need to know that which one is best!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Buchhofer Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Basically what mark has said is good advice in terms of support. Geforce lines = DirectX fast, opengl ok.. Quadro/FireGL lines = OpenGL fast, directx fast for applications, midrange for game/shader work. looking at our 1700 vx 8800 gtx comparison, they perform comparably in max with the 1700 edging it out, but the 8800 obliterates it in gaming performance. now personally i do a *lot* of realtime work, and getting into HLSL shader development and whatnot, so i went with the 8800 for my machine, but coworkers who are primarily max, with a slight smattering of other random programs like Sketchup/Revit/Cad, the 1700 was a better choice. So know what applications you will be using primarily, and invest a little time in seeing what main driver types work best for them. Max since v9 or so is primarily DirectX based for speed. If you do go with the quadros, be aware that the X7XX line is the newest generation.. so a 1700 will be faster than say a 3000/3500, somewhat analagous to the 8800 vs the 7800 in gaming cards. the main difference in the higher end cards is the amount of frame bandwidth that they can push. IE: they'll keep chugging along at Higher screen resolutions, and have more texture/geometry space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revit3D Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 Yes of course that FX1700 is better than GeForce 8800 but I am comparising the Quadro and ATI FireGL. I need to know that which one is best!! Ahhh.. Gotcha... In terms of price/performance, the ATI cards in the past would have edged out the Quadro cards simply because of cost difference, but not in the past 2 years, and as far as driver support/issues go, the Nvidia cards are definitly a step above the rest.. While ATI FireGL does wireframe better and faster than any other cards ever created, they're lacking in shading/lighting performance when compared to the same priced Quadro's and they can't touch Nvidia on their high-end line.. Even Autodesk is partnering with Nvidia now when they used to stay neutral.. I'm pretty much exclusivly recomending the Quadro FX1700 to all of my Revit clients/students unless they're looking to do massive high-rise or entire site designs.. As far as MAX is concerned, the FX1700 is more than capable in "most" situations, while the FX3700 will blow the FX1700 out of the water in high-poly count high-light count scenes.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipjor Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 i'm going to try to save $300 and try this, what do you think? http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=539&pgno=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 I thought you weren't supposed to be able to do that to 8000 series cards. If it works, let us know, and do some before-and-after in Specviewperf and Cinebench and whatever else you use for that sort of thing. Personally I'd love it if this worked and allowed Revit to fuction properly on an 8800GTS but I wouldn't base purchasing decisions on it. I'll probably just "upgrade" to my old FireGL that was previously in my home PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinger Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 I am with you too...everything I read said it can't work on the newer gfx cards. I have a feeling it is just reading as a Quadro in RivaTuner but not actually functioning as a Quadro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Well I'll be eternally damned. I tried it on my 8800GTS and not only did it work, it took maybe 5 minutes and improved my Specviewperf scores by huge margins: Before: catia-02 8.78 maya-02 38.99 proe-04 13.10 sw-01 9.89 tcvis-01 4.31 3dsmax-04 11.20 After: 3dsmax-04 18.80 catia-02 18.43 ensight-03 19.82 maya-02 36.68 proe-04 16.19 sw-01 25.87 tcvis-01 7.06 ugnx-01 4.85 and my Cinebench 10 OpenGL score went from maybe 5000 to an extremely impressive 6455. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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