Jeff Mottle Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Man this was tough to put together this year. Over the last 3 days I've spent around 35 hours sifting through over 800 images and nearly 100 animations. Some great images as usual, but this year the animations have really raised the bar. Some outstanding creativity. Obviously with this many submissions not everyone can make the final judging round of 38 animations and 261 images. Thank you to everyone who submitted images and animations. http://www.cgarchitect.com/3dawards/scoring/ I know it's a lot of work, but please take the time to vote all of the images and animations, as it will ensure the most valid results. Notes: 1. The images and animations are served up randomly, so everyone will receive an equal number of votes. 2. If you do not see your images or animation, it did not make it to the final voting round. Please do not email us to ask why. You are better off posting to the forums to ask for a more varied opinion. Many factors went into deciding which images and animations were accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 (edited) Jeff, hello Firstly I'd just like to say how much I appreciate your commitment to developing quality and professionalism within the industry - I learn something every time I visit CGarchitect. So, it's with a shared concern for consistency that I thought to write to you regarding the manner in which images have been displayed for scoring the Architectural 3D Awards. Unless I've missed something, it seems very difficult to establish a comparison between the submissions - short of laboriously opening a window for each image. Without being able to compare effectively, it does seem to undermine the rating each work may be allocated. As a suggestion, if for example each of the 261 images were displayed on a single scrolling page as cropped, circular icons in a randomized order that changed for each visitor to the site, a more useful comparison would then be possible. This might usefully include the following: --The function to display any two images in detail simultaneously. --The display of a circle around an image indicating that it had been viewed. --A larger circle / transparency indicating that a score had been allocated, with the score number overlaying the image icon. I fully appreciate this would take a bit of preparation, but such an interactive template would then be quick to load for each subsequent competition and go a long way to engaging site members in the scoring process. All the best, Hugo Edited May 28, 2008 by Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxbinxx Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 Super ..... I'm voting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted May 28, 2008 Author Share Posted May 28, 2008 Jeff, hello Firstly I'd just like to say how much I appreciate your commitment to developing quality and professionalism within the industry - I learn something every time I visit CGarchitect. So, it's with a shared concern for consistency that I thought to write to you regarding the manner in which images have been displayed for scoring the Architectural 3D Awards. Unless I've missed something, it seems very difficult to establish a comparison between the submissions - short of laboriously opening a window for each image. Without being able to compare effectively, it does seem to undermine the rating each work may be allocated. As a suggestion, if for example each of the 261 images were displayed on a single scrolling page as cropped, circular icons in a randomized order that changed for each visitor to the site, a more useful comparison would then be possible. This might usefully include the following: --The function to display any two images in detail simultaneously. --The display of a circle around an image indicating that it had been viewed. --A larger circle / transparency indicating that a score had been allocated, with the score number overlaying the image icon. I fully appreciate this would take a bit of preparation, but such an interactive template would then be quick to load for each subsequent competition and go a long way to engaging site members in the scoring process. All the best, Hugo Thanks Hugo, This has been brought up in past years, but here is my argument for the way the voting has been set up. An image should not be compared against other images within the same year, but rather against what is being produced in the industry as a whole that year. Much like is done in the olympics, atheletes are scored against technical and athletic skills for what is expected of someone that year. If for example everyone messed up in their respective sports, they should all get a 1 out of 10, rather than the best mess up getting a 10. It's comes down to grading against a curve vs. grading against a current standard. I prefer the current standard. So, in my opinion at least, you should look at an image and compare it to what you know is being produced in our industry now and score accordingly. Thanks for the feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex York Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 one of the images has come up twice in my list when voting. http://www.cgarchitect.com/3dawards/2008/images/19795/Japanese%20House%20submitted.jpg i couldn't progress without submitting another vote for it, so I did. just to let you know it was number 43 the second time it came around, can't remember the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raterry Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 FYI, I'm quite certain I saw two duplicate images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex York Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 i've just seen another one for the second time (pretty certain). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex York Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 uhoh, and another one. that's 3 duplicates so far out of 60% of the way through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex York Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 ok and another one. i'm going to stop voting until this is fixed. i smell a re-start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted May 28, 2008 Author Share Posted May 28, 2008 ok and another one. i'm going to stop voting until this is fixed. i smell a re-start There are a number of images that are very similar. I'll check the database, but it's almost impossible, if not totally impossible, with the way the code is set up for you to be able to vote on an image twice, unless it was submited twice and somehow got missed or your original vote was not recorded at all. To know if you did get an image voted twice you'd see something at the top that showed you voted on more images than there were entries. Even if an image was in their twice, in theory there would just be two line items of the same image right next to each other with the same score, so not a big deal. Keep voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex York Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 ah ok. will-do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antisthenes Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 what is wrong with this picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted May 28, 2008 Author Share Posted May 28, 2008 what is wrong with this picture? Nothing. Rather than spend another 15 hours trying to make it work in FF becuase they don't properly support embeding video, I opted to only allow IE. Next year, I'll try to get it working for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 From his screen, he is running Internet Explorer. But Jonas, from what you've said previously about your computer and your OS preferences, I wouldn't be surprised if your Internet Explorer was so messed up as to be completely unrecognizable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianKitts Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 if you get the warning in firefox, then copy the current address go into ie and paste the address, you get directed to the IE only notice page. I did the same thing. .... open IE, paste the address... then erase the "/browser.htm" off the end.... (or just make sure you use the right address in the first place) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exellite Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 I was going to vote on the animations, looking forward to it in fact, but there's no way I'm waiting an hour for a 2 minute long video to load. Sort the streams out and I'll vote... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted May 28, 2008 Author Share Posted May 28, 2008 I was going to vote on the animations, looking forward to it in fact, but there's no way I'm waiting an hour for a 2 minute long video to load. Sort the streams out and I'll vote... The videos are hosted on Amazon S3 servers. For most people the downloads are pretty quick, but it really depends on how your connected to the internet. Not a lot I can do there unfourtunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exellite Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 10meg broadband, the problem is def not mine. Shame, I would have liked to see what animations were submitted this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted May 28, 2008 Author Share Posted May 28, 2008 10meg broadband, the problem is def not mine. Shame, I would have liked to see what animations were submitted this year. It's not how fast your connection is, but how your ISP routes you to the server hosting the files. The reason some sites are slower than others is largely due to the route it takes to get there and the latency of each router on the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antisthenes Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 if you get the warning in firefox, then copy the current address go into ie and paste the address, you get directed to the IE only notice page. I did the same thing. .... open IE, paste the address... then erase the "/browser.htm" off the end.... (or just make sure you use the right address in the first place) that worked.. thanks BrainKitts this is my work PC it is not that customized.... but everybody did loose admin rights over their own pc's last week after a merger. grrrrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfa2 Posted May 28, 2008 Share Posted May 28, 2008 The voting page doesn't like my username and password. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted May 28, 2008 Author Share Posted May 28, 2008 The voting page doesn't like my username and password. The username is different than the one you use for the forum. It's the username and password for the main site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex York Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 finished voting last night. some truly fantastic animations. very hard to rate them apart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litleboy Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 I finished voting, but wehre can I take a second view of them? I want to show it to a friend. thks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted May 29, 2008 Author Share Posted May 29, 2008 I finished voting, but wehre can I take a second view of them? I want to show it to a friend. thks. I haven't created a tool to look at them outside of the voting system. Maybe I'll look at doing that once the nominees are announced next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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