Neil_cg Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Firstly, I want to congratulate a lot of the entrants into the 3d awards – there has been some very good animation in there and I am by no means saying I think I deserve to win or even get shortlisted with this thread, but I do have a gripe with something. Looking through the animations that got into the voting stage, I’m finding some of them are making it quite hard to take this competition very seriously. We worked on a project a few months ago which featured an entire island modelled with 300+ buildings, featuring camera tracking and a fair amount of particle flow, which I then spent a further 3 days editing just for this competition. Again – I must stress I’m not getting on my high horse here, I was happy to take not getting in. Until I spent much of today watching some of the other entrants, and while there is 90% of very good work in there, theres 10% that I find it quite insulting to have been placed below. Here’s a link to our entry: http://www.visualisationone.com/nordre.avi Some stills: I’m not expecting anything to change and I can appreciate the work jeff put into running this – I just wanted to see what the general verdict is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 I'm still waiting for your animation to download but if the screen shots are representative of the entire animations let me say its extremely good work. Having said that I'm finding it hard to understand why you're upset, the judges obviously felt that there was something about someone else’s work that was better than yours. It's all based on personal opinions anyway, what looks great to one person might look bad to another and that's just the way things are. I'm pretty sure the judging process is very intense and everyone is given equal consideration so I wouldn’t take it personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_cg Posted May 30, 2008 Author Share Posted May 30, 2008 Having said that I'm finding it hard to understand why you're upset, the judges obviously felt that there was something about someone else’s work that was better than yours. You've got me wrong here - it's not that i'm upset at all, or that I expect anything to change. It's just after seeing the lower 10% of animations that got through i'm finding it very hard to take the competition seriously. Please dont misunderstand me - this isnt arrogance and i'm by no means saying this is better than even half of the projects on there. But worse than all of them? I'd like to get some public opinion before I quit my job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian P Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Hi I work with Neil so I may be bias in my opinion of the quality of his work but, while I agree that all creative work is judged subjectively and personal opinions come into play if all the work is of a similar quality. There should be little room in a competition of this calibre, open to some of the biggest and best names in the industry, for poor technical ability. Some of the animations I looked at were poorly rendered (flickering in animations etc) badly edited and in one case the soundtrack played at twice the speed of the video and then ended halfway through. It is upsetting to work so hard trying to get every detail of a project this large correct and then be beaten to the final round by work that has been so carelessly thrown together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 I'm also waiting for the download. I'm a bit confused, I haven't watched any of the entrants, but you're not saying your entry wasn't accepted, are you? If it's as good as the stills make me think it is, I wouldn't be surprised to see it in the short list, but in general the standards on these competitions are high and anything that's not good either won't make the cut or won't get high votes. From everything I've seen, Jeff does a great job putting these together, and the judging is sound, so I wouldn't be concerned about whether the eventual winners will be chosen well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_cg Posted May 30, 2008 Author Share Posted May 30, 2008 I haven't watched any of the entrants, but you're not saying your entry wasn't accepted, are you? You should check them out (like I said, 90% of them are incredible) And I am indeed - this didnt get through to the voting round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Firstly, I want to congratulate a lot of the entrants into the 3d awards – there has been some very good animation in there and I am by no means saying I think I deserve to win or even get shortlisted with this thread, but I do have a gripe with something. Neil, I never saw your animation submitted, so I think it might not have been uploaded sucessfully. I know you guys sibmitted a lot of still images and many if not most of them were passed onto the final voting round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_cg Posted May 30, 2008 Author Share Posted May 30, 2008 (edited) It was in folder 3939, I checked the file sizes after it was uploaded and they matched exactly. Edited May 30, 2008 by Neil_cg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 I went back to the database to check your entries and I did find your animation however it was corrupt and we could not play it, which is why it did not make it to the final round. All I saw was green and a music soundtrack. While I would have loved to contacted everyone who's work was corrupted, there unfourtately was just not enough time to do that given the really tight deadlines we had to meet for the Mundo Conference this year. Every year animations get submitted that are corrupted, do not get uploaded in a standard format etc. Next year I plan on revamping the 3Dawards and one of the things I will be increasing is the judging period, so there is some window to contact entrants who's work is incomplete, missing, corrupt etc. I would definetly enter this next year though. Sorry it did not work out this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_cg Posted May 30, 2008 Author Share Posted May 30, 2008 (edited) The green playback with sound only isnt what happens when it's corrupted - we get that here on some computers playing back the very same file. Does it flash too? some of them flick between green and pink for some reason. Thats exactly why I asked you (as ian p.) a few days before the deadline if it was ok to use h.264 inside an .avi. - and you said it was. I even asked if you wanted it in a standard mpeg which would be guaranteed to play and you said not to. Edited May 30, 2008 by Neil_cg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 The green playback with sound only isnt what happens when it's corrupted - we get that here on some computers playing back the very same file. Does it flash too? some of them flick between green and pink for some reason. Thats exactly why I asked you (as ian p.) a few days before the deadline if it was ok to use h.264 inside an .avi. - and you said it was. Hmmm, well I do appologize then, as I must have misunderstood. I think I might have missed the part about it being an AVI. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Im downloading your animation now from the link you provided, but also have the original locally. Where and how do I get a codec for this. I'm going to get this converted to an MOV, uploaded and put into the system for scoring. I'll email all of the people who have scored animations so far so they can go in and score your animation too... Time is of the essense here, so please let me know where I can get the codec asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_cg Posted May 30, 2008 Author Share Posted May 30, 2008 I just use VLC media player to play it, works fine through that. edit: to add a very big thank you, didnt expect this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoron13 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Neil, this is fantastic. BUT, even with VLC, I'm having major problems viewing this animation. It crashed 4 times during playback, and a good 30+ seconds of the animation had audio but the video froze. none the less, great work, and you should thank jeff greatly for being so understanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_cg Posted May 30, 2008 Author Share Posted May 30, 2008 I had no idea people would have so many problems with the codec, I thought i'd stumbled across a reliable one - the only reason I asked intially was because I've never trusted them to work. And dont worry - I am very appreciative of what jeff is doing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 I just watched it after dl the codec. This is where I got it: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=173941 Nice piece by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Almost done...the MOV is uploading to the server now and will be live in about 10 min. Stay tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaymation Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 It's refreshing to see an internet forum where a mishap like this can be sorted out in a fair and gentlemanly manner. On many forums this would have started off as a rant and gone swiftly downhill into something dreadful. Top marks to all involved for being so professional and reasonable. (Oh and the animation is stunning Neil_cg, you were definitly right to question why it hadn't been included!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 The animation is now online...ready to score and everyone who had already scored was emailed to come back online to score your animation as well. Sorry for the mess up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_cg Posted May 30, 2008 Author Share Posted May 30, 2008 A serious amount of respect your way for this jeff, thank you Very cool of you to do that at this stage, I owe you a beer should we ever meet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 A serious amount of respect your way for this jeff, thank you Very cool of you to do that at this stage, I owe you a beer should we ever meet! No problem, I messed up so I had to fix it. I felt horrible. Next year I'll be very specific about MOV with h.264 codec only, with streaming headers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Neil, Any chance you could post a version with English captions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_cg Posted May 31, 2008 Author Share Posted May 31, 2008 (edited) I'm not so sure - the only english I have for this job is a rough copy of the original script, which was probably changed before filming anyway (the actual film is 30 minutes long, that was just a 'cg only' edit) I have no idea what theyre actually saying in this edit (aside from an educated guess) - we'd need to ask the director or client to translate it - it'd be 3 days before I can ask, not including the overlay... Edited May 31, 2008 by Neil_cg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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