nodar1978 Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 hello guys i put here 3 project and i named them as a, b, c. please have a look on it and tell me what do you think, how many hours can man spend for each project, I made modeling of building, remodeling of furniture, and also i made some furniture myself. also as usually clients asked me lots of changes after i finished the job. changes was not my mistakes, they changed their ideas themself. and also if you are from Netherlands please tell me the prices per hour or by project for this kind of work. also here is my web gallery and if you would like jus have a look on it and leav your comments please : http://home.wanadoo.nl/nbazierishvili/ thank you george Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodar1978 Posted June 8, 2008 Author Share Posted June 8, 2008 guys nothing to say ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amer abidi Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I guess about 6 Hours each would be more than enough for A-Z. As for price in netherlands, sorry i can't help . Your modeling is Ok (except for pillows) , but i see much room for improvement in materials and lighting. also more accessories (pool table cues and balls, more irregularities in furniture, etc...) You really can hype them up a notch higher with some richer content. Are you having trouble inserting convincing people? or do you not like them in your renderings? I personally try to avoid people in my renderings..but i think the first project aould be a lot more interesting with some life inserted into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodar1978 Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 hi thanks for advice, do you think that setting up scene and then about 6 rendering in Vray 6 hour is enough? one rendering only takes abou45 min even with vray proxis (for restorant project). or you mean modeling onnly without rendering? thanks I guess about 6 Hours each would be more than enough for A-Z. As for price in netherlands, sorry i can't help . Your modeling is Ok (except for pillows) , but i see much room for improvement in materials and lighting. also more accessories (pool table cues and balls, more irregularities in furniture, etc...) You really can hype them up a notch higher with some richer content. Are you having trouble inserting convincing people? or do you not like them in your renderings? I personally try to avoid people in my renderings..but i think the first project aould be a lot more interesting with some life inserted into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amer abidi Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Yes, I mean all except rendering. Since rendering depends on hardware and not on Human input. I have access to a render farm, so what takes you 45 minutes to render, takes me less than 3 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodar1978 Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 hi Amer i don't think so that render farm will make same rendering in 3 min as my pc doing it in 45 min. I have acces to render farm as well, but for one frame (still rendering ) thay take same time as my pc. so ..... they rendered for me one frame and it took about 2 hour, same on my pc. Yes, I mean all except rendering. Since rendering depends on hardware and not on Human input. I have access to a render farm, so what takes you 45 minutes to render, takes me less than 3 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xephir Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I guess about 6 Hours each would be more than enough for A-Z. As for price in netherlands, sorry i can't help . How is it possible to model the scene in only 6 hours? If i look at the pictures i really thought he must have needed about 18 hours. Next question: Which kind of software are u using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodar1978 Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 thanks sebastian for reply of course it took more time to me, and i told to client about 16 hour (for project a), becouse she asked me lots of changes, for example i finished the 4 renderin and later she asked me to put flowers on each table (and few time she asked me changes like this), for her it was only the 5 min to think but for me it was same time rendering for 4 visuals, but i still charge as 16 hour. becouse price could be too high. I use 3d max, vray, and also if i wars with modeling from auto cad drawings then auto cad as well, and photoshop for textures. also sebastian, i made some projects in germany, and i've got one project now in germany, could you tell me the price in germany for freelancers for this kind of work? thank you in advance george How is it possible to model the scene in only 6 hours? If i look at the pictures i really thought he must have needed about 18 hours. Next question: Which kind of software are u using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xephir Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 thanks sebastian for reply of course it took more time to me, and i told to client about 16 hour (for project a), becouse she asked me lots of changes, for example i finished the 4 renderin and later she asked me to put flowers on each table (and few time she asked me changes like this), for her it was only the 5 min to think but for me it was same time rendering for 4 visuals, but i still charge as 16 hour. becouse price could be too high. I use 3d max, vray, and also if i wars with modeling from auto cad drawings then auto cad as well, and photoshop for textures. also sebastian, i made some projects in germany, and i've got one project now in germany, could you tell me the price in germany for freelancers for this kind of work? thank you in advance george Oh... i dont know. I take specific prices for different buildings. small buildings ~ 350 €, middle ~450 € or more, big 750€ and more... Do u texture the models after rendering or did u mean that u correct "bugs" in the final pictures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodar1978 Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 no some time I need to make a texture to use it in scene, textures which is not in library. after fynal renderings i need to do some work with photop some time, to change some small mistakes, or britness, or things like this. how long do you think these renderings will take from you? I meen the renderings i uploaded here Oh... i dont know. I take specific prices for different buildings. small buildings ~ 350 €, middle ~450 € or more, big 750€ and more... Do u texture the models after rendering or did u mean that u correct "bugs" in the final pictures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xephir Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) no some time I need to make a texture to use it in scene, textures which is not in library. after fynal renderings i need to do some work with photop some time, to change some small mistakes, or britness, or things like this. how long do you think these renderings will take from you? I meen the renderings i uploaded here Renderings like yours i've never made before. I only make outdoor viz. But if u want u can visit my website to take a look at my works. I'm a rookie actually. Low money budget and nearly everthing handmade. Edited June 18, 2008 by Xephir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodar1978 Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 yes nice work, do you work with vray? I've got now one project for outdoor, in germany, 5 floor and 2 floor are diferent the first 3, and 3 antry, how do you think how much can i charge for it? they giving me the 2d archicad drawings. also i have to do some landscape, not complicated but... Renderings like yours i've never made before. I only make outdoor viz. But if u want u can visit my website to take a look at my works. I'm a rookie actually. Low money budget and nearly everthing handmade. www [dot] rihpex [dot] com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xephir Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 yes nice work, do you work with vray? I've got now one project for outdoor, in germany, 5 floor and 2 floor are diferent the first 3, and 3 antry, how do you think how much can i charge for it? they giving me the 2d archicad drawings. also i have to do some landscape, not complicated but... Thanks. Do u really think so (about my works)? No, i dont work with Vray. Only AutoCad 2006 / VIZ + Paintshop Pro XI are in use by me. About question two: You've got a mail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayamax Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Hi I think For Me I Need 15-18 hours For Modelling And rendering..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amer abidi Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 hi Amer i don't think so that render farm will make same rendering in 3 min as my pc doing it in 45 min. I have acces to render farm as well, but for one frame (still rendering ) thay take same time as my pc. so ..... they rendered for me one frame and it took about 2 hour, same on my pc. Hi Nodar, The render farm is mine, and so with distributed Rendering i have 44 xeon processors rendering one frame (at the same time), so actually it would take less than 3 minutes to render assuming you have a quad ofcourse. And well, Yes, i do believe it would take me less than 6 hours to finish that scene. At the end of the day, you asked a question, and i gave you my personal answer. I'm not saying i'm the standard, but I know what i'm talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodar1978 Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 hi could you give me the web adress please, some time i need render farm service thanks Hi Nodar, The render farm is mine, and so with distributed Rendering i have 44 xeon processors rendering one frame (at the same time), so actually it would take less than 3 minutes to render assuming you have a quad ofcourse. And well, Yes, i do believe it would take me less than 6 hours to finish that scene. At the end of the day, you asked a question, and i gave you my personal answer. I'm not saying i'm the standard, but I know what i'm talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amer abidi Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 like i said, it's mine (as in for our office work only). we don't rent it out, but if you're ever in a tight spot, drop me an email and if it's free, then by all means will help you out. But i can't urge you enough...once you get some savings together..invest in one, no matter how small, and then keep adding to it as time goes by. It took me a lot of time, money and hard work to pull it together, but the fast turnovers now really make up for all the hard times spent pulling it together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 hi Amer i don't think so that render farm will make same rendering in 3 min as my pc doing it in 45 min. I have acces to render farm as well, but for one frame (still rendering ) thay take same time as my pc. so ..... they rendered for me one frame and it took about 2 hour, same on my pc. Distributed rendering. I have 32Ghz and 32g Ram working on one rendering. As I mostly do stills, this is probably about 8 times what you have on board your PC. 45/8= 6mins rendertime for your 45. I think the 6 hours modeling sounds about right if well planned. I spend a long time on materials though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnvid Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) One thing is for sure George, Clients will take the Piss if you let them. I suspect the woman also has a little of the interior designer in her, Spotting the fact that there where no flowers, and for that one little change, could be hours of work, if you then have to find the right flowers, alter materials, make proxies, do more light calculations, and more rendering....or even worse, run into rendering problems. When I saw the thumbnail of your image, i thought the colours/images looked a little cartoony, but when i opened the image, I thought, Bloody Hell, you have done well to get that done in 16 or so hours... I think that even if you spent a further 16 hours doing all the changes, The end result would only be say 10% improvement, and if thats what they want and are prepared to pay,then fine. Some will just keep requesting changes, as a delay tactic, maybe some do it on purpose, SO THEY CAN BREAK OUT OF THE CONTRACT(its all down to the contract), Perhaps clients need to be taught the Law of dimminishing returns. I have been in the same boat, and I am sure many people here have. Edited June 9, 2008 by johnvid spelling again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 ^ I agree. Set a strict number of reviews on your image, anythign after the 2-3 or so stages and its a variation which you could do on a hourly rate or whatever you agree on. You could do one at modelling stage with a white material to agree on geometry and camera angles. Then a first textured / lit version, some feedback then onto final lighting/texturing and post production. Make it a clear process and explain it with example images and tell your client the kind of feedbback you need at each stage, otherwise uneducated clients tend to go on a flower and cushion arranging rampage. I would say 16 or so hours is fine for those images. Amer must be VERY FAST to do that image from scratch in 6 hours! Dont sell yourself short or be afraid when communicating with the client, if you take the lead and offer suggestions help out then you will have a easier time doing the work. Remeber these clients are coming to you to help them at something you are an expert at, take the initiative and they will have more confidence to let you do teh work without meddling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litleboy Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 6 hours sounds good to me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodar1978 Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 sorry guys, but I don't think so. you are looking on renderings and you think that 6 hour is enough, but it is far not enough. and aspecially if it is not for you, there is someby elso who gives you lots of mixed ideas. i uploaded here 3 project, and even for smallest one 6 hour is not enough, thats not truth. i can say that 1 hour is enough but ...... is it truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xephir Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 sorry guys, but I don't think so. you are looking on renderings and you think that 6 hour is enough, but it is far not enough. and aspecially if it is not for you, there is someby elso who gives you lots of mixed ideas. i uploaded here 3 project, and even for smallest one 6 hour is not enough, thats not truth. i can say that 1 hour is enough but ...... is it truth? Yes, i think so too. 6 hours is very very "fantastic". If u want to finish the project in this kind of detail u have to invest more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litleboy Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) OK. I'm not considering the input or changes of the client, neither the creation of new executes or rendering time, probably modeling some furniture. but I have done jobs close to that in 4 to 8 hrs. Edited June 9, 2008 by litleboy spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 What if you had to model every single bit of the geometry in these images? 4 to 6 hours seems like a very, very low number. I'm not slow, nor the fastest modeler on this board , but 16 hrs seems reasonable to me. If you can model all this in 4-6 hours please send us a tutorial...I'd like to know how it's done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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