AJLynn Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Wait, is this 10200 a new product? It looks like it could actually be pretty useful. If I'm reading this right, if I go to the configurator on the web site with the default options for $5825, that's actually the price of 2 nodes with 8 cores and 8GB each? That's actually reasonably competitive if you need that much power. Now how cool do you need to keep the ambient temperature? You must be walking a pretty fine line when you're cooling 4 Xeons in that much space... But what I think it's important to say (and I say it all the time and see people not realizing this a lot) is that 16 cores worth of computers that are advertised as being for rendering don't render any better than 16 cores of computers that are not advertised as being for rendering. You can get more cores in that space than some other vendors, but they are the same cores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOXXLABS Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 heh, yup...there is ALOT of heat generated by 4 quadcore CPUs each putting off 120 watts. It was actually a formidable engineering challenge to move the heat out of the chassis. We solved it through the use of very efficient (and very high speed) fans and carefully designed airflow channeling. Thank god these units are not designed to be used desk-side...'cause with 12K rpm fans, they are pretty damn loud once they come under processing load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 12,000 RPM??? That explains a lot. Hmmm, maybe I'll just build a wind tunnel for my next system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike. Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 SuperMicro do sell blades whith 16 cores in each 1U blade.....2 motherboards, two systems... in one U. Dell does not want to do this because of overheating (it's what dell's engineer told me at the phone when i was negociating). and if you compare the renderboxx solution to another, whith the same core number, the renderboxx is far more expensive. Two little questions... what is the advantage of choosing a rackmount solution rather than a blade solution, (knowing that it is a lot more expensive, whatever the dealer is) ? do the renderboxx 6000$ nodes contain 16 cores each ? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianKitts Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 (edited) Because we are essentially putting two dual-quad computers (16 cores) in the same chassis, we can leverage extra efficiency by sharing the cooling and power supply systems between both units. (yes, a single renderBOXX 10200 unit is seen by the network and/or your rendering engine as two separate 8-core rendernodes) As far as getting DELL or HP nodes with the same performance, features and capabilities for anything close to the same price...I would have to see a quote to believe it... I didn't realize the boxx was for 16 cores, so 16 for 9k does beat the 8 for 6k. I retract my initial comment about price. That's awesome. The other big part about all this that matters to many people is that we ONLY sell our products to VFX and archiViz facilities. It's our only business and sole focus. Our sales and support teams are TRAINED TO HELP SOLVE YOUR 3D and Architectual Visualization challenges. If you call our tech support line with a problem that turns out to be related to Backburner or VRAY, we're gonna help you figure out & troubleshoot the issue. no questions asked and no additional fees. Will Dell? Will HP? Do they even have a clue what "Backburner' IS??? The answer is no. Both companies have their benefits, no Dell doesn't know what backburner is..... on the other hand if I have a problem with backburner I'm calling autodesk, not dell. (actually I'd post here but you get the point) On the other hand, If I call Boxx at 10:00pm on sunday night cause my machine won't start and I have a deadline in 6 hours.... will anyone answer, Dell will. (at least it won't be hillary answering;)) Edited July 21, 2008 by BrianKitts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike. Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 do the renderboxx 6000$ nodes contain 16 cores each ? I guess it means "no". for info, here is the first quote i got from my supermicro reseller... 4 quadcores units.... for 3700 euros. i'm conscious that it's a blade solution, but the difference is.....evident.... sorry my bad english may lead to confusions. no see no anger here;; i just wanted, as an ex-potential boxx client, show what discouraged me at the very first... SYS6015TW-TBServeur Supermicro Modèle Rack 1U TWIN 1 13 Comprenant : 14 Dimensions : ( 437 x 43 x 705mm ) 15 Alimentation 980W 16 Twin set of 2 x 3.5" extractibles 17 Twin set of Motherboard X7DWT- Chipset Intel 5400 FSB1666/1333/800 18 Twin set of 1 x PCI-Express x16 Gen. 2.0 via riser card 19 Twin set of Mémory extension up to 64GB FBD DDRII 800/667MHz in 8DIMMS 20 Twin set of 2 x Intel 82563 PCI-Express Gigabit Ethernet 21 Twin set of ATI ES1000 32MB PCI Graphics controller 22 23 P4X-DPE5420-250-12M1333Harpertown E5450 3.0G 12M 1333FSB 4 24 KVR667D2D4F5/2G 2GB DDR2-667 FB-DIMM LP FMHS PB-FREE 8 25 STM31000340ASSEAGATE 1To SATA 7200RPM 32M 3.5" 2 26 6SNKP0017HEATSINK inclus 4 27 28 6CSEPT51LRails et Kit inclus 1 29 30 SEAT30Montage + configuration + test 1 31 SEGAR3ARETAGarantie : 3 ans constructeur retour usine(pièces et main d'œuvre sur l'ensemble) 1 32 Attention : livré sans OS 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 Frais de port en supplément 42 43 44 45 Total en €uros HT 3,145.00 46T.V.A. 19,6 % 616.42 47Total en €uros TTC 3,761.42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 (at least it won't be hillary answering!!!) Actually Hillary used to work tech help desk at Wellesley and from what I've heard she was pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOXXLABS Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 HI Mike, Yes. The answer is yes. 8 cores x 2 = 16 cores for one renderBOXX 10200 unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike. Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 HI Mike, Yes. The answer is yes. 8 cores x 2 = 16 cores for one renderBOXX 10200 unit. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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