REDVERTEX Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Thank You !!! Actually, I'm just asking. Because I think rate per hour is not a good idea for this business. In my 15 years experience I chose to charge for: 1. 3D modeling of the scene (some examples below) - interiors (house or public areas ... living room .. or shopping mall lobby) - exteriors (single module, building or house) - terrain and enviroment details (flat and simple or slope are with lots of details) 2. charge per every single final image All this things are well precized in a table of prices. At least for a studio, hour rate is not precize and I think it's a wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerdream Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Even if you break down your pricing as you mentioned and bill you clints in that manner it is good to have a "rate" you need to bring in per billable hour so that you can keep the doors open. You don't have to tell your clients what that is but I think that is a good thing to establish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDVERTEX Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 I will think about it. Sometimes it might be usefull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adricorrea Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 The price £60 or £70 per hour it is also definitively per person. So if you have 3 or 4 people working at the same project you should charge £70 times the number of people working on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDVERTEX Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 HAHAHA, great But if I charge this way, I can't find a client. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adricorrea Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Well, I guest the company charge that for us also becouse we are a big Architect Practice. I do work on my own and I basically charge depend of image and complexity, but overall about half of it (£30) is is normally small clients and not very big jobs;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dp Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 clients are never intrested in hourly reates beyond a breakdown of rates they want lump sum figures so on occasions i've been lucky and on a hourly basis the fee is in the hundred+ per hour on the flip the project could be a pain and you did not account for poor cad information etc and the rate falls to low 20's i always went off gut reaction for time and cost and usually it worked on my own work if it's below 25-30 per hour it's not worth my time doing it because i will earn more being an architect and would have regular working hours and sleep patterns what i will say now is after 10 years full/part time visual work in real terms the money is now less - a lot less than i was making 5 years ago in relation to time spent demanding clients and incresed expectations via g.i.- poor briefs - apalling design information - current crop of young designers who can't draw their ideas (thus how can somebody create a 3d illustration) meaning more time which reduces the rate per hour for profit some people will work for free but i am not one of them and when it becomes uneconomic to produce 3d work then it's time to let others do it - it does help having a few irons in the fire to call upon actually it seems the uk is sliding into recession rather quickly so make hay while you can and the rates and work will be decimated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Woodhouse Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 I agree with all that you are saying David. The biggest problem for me has always been truly appalling architects drawings, the usual shoddy layer management, lines not closed properly etc, etc, you know the issues. As far as client brief goes, i will grill the client until he or she are sick of me asking questions. I ALWAYS re-iterate back what has been discussed and what has been agreed. If the drawings are of poor quality i will send them back and ask for them to be tidied up, unless there are only a few minor problems. I also have very rigid terms and conditions, which i go thru' with the client emphasising that if they step outside of the brief in a major way then they will be charged additional costs. How's the construction industry in Bahrain? Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbereth Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Hello everybody! UK prices - ... I am shocked. We are located in Russia, our team contents of 5 CG artists. We have our own renderfarm.... Our prices are about 15-20£ per hour, not more!!! Cost of hour is fixed, only project estimate can change! Please find attached render examples below... What do you think about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Your images look excelant! really good, get yourself a work visa and come and work in the Uk! I think some of the top flight studios in london would snap you up! As for the prices, I guess the cost of living in the uk is more expensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Irina, If you dont mind me asking, what software are you using for your trees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbereth Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 (edited) Your images look excelant! really good, get yourself a work visa and come and work in the Uk! I think some of the top flight studios in london would snap you up! As for the prices, I guess the cost of living in the uk is more expensive? Thank you:o ))) I love Russia and I don't want immigrate to UK We don't need any visas to work with foreigh companies. We can communicate with our clients by Skype, ICQ or e-mail. Big spaces are not trouble if you have Internet )))) But I don't know how to offer our services to UK companies:( All my letters are blocked as spam:( Edited October 1, 2008 by Elbereth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbereth Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Irina, If you dont mind me asking, what software are you using for your trees? ONYX Tree Storm, after that converting to VRay Proxy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerdream Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Hello everybody! UK prices - ... I am shocked. We are located in Russia, our team contents of 5 CG artists. We have our own renderfarm.... Our prices are about 15-20£ per hour, not more!!! Cost of hour is fixed, only project estimate can change! Please find attached render examples below... What do you think about? Are you in Moscow? London and Moscow are the two most expensive cities on the planet. Prices are directly related to where you reside and the labor market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbereth Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 No, not Moscow. We are located in Volzhsky, it is one of region centers. But we make all our projects for moscow clients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Buckley Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 what has the grass been done with in the 4th image irina?? i love the work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbereth Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 daveb867, Vray Displacement and bitmap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galazym Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Hi, guys, i just wanted to ask you when a customer comes to you and wants an invoice, what are you doing if you don't have firm? Do you have contracts and how are you guys working without having a firm?Thanks for the help!!! Miki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanNinja Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 You should have some sort of accounting program. MYOB, QUICKEN, there are even templates for Word and Excel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galazym Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Thanks, ok, but how are you signing this so called invoices? Online signature, or? Thanks again Miki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhanh29 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Dont need to sigh.if you and them agree to do bussiness together. you just send them your invoice without signing.But before you do the job you should suggest the client make the payment advance. If you and them believe in each other. you can get your payment after but should stamp(warter mark) your product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangalore Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I would like to know the prices or ranges to charge for a 3d cartoon animation series, including storyboarding, modeling, animation and rendering in us dollars if possible. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyElNino Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I thought I would beat the next guy to it by saying $1,000,000...! Sorry... IF someone was going to do your quote for you they'd need more information. Starting with what the animation is of, whats going to be in it and, probably most important of all, how long is it going to be. The basic premise is how long its going to take you and so therefore what its going to cost you to produce plus a healthy profit margin on the top... All the factors that make up a quote are individual to the freelancer or company and change dramatically. Its not just think of a number and double it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanNinja Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Well, slightly off-topic unless there's a lot of archviz in the cartoon... I saw some company on http://www.guru.com wanting someone to submit a bid/quote for a 30-minute cartoon series "at the same quality as ". I'm sure they'd be willing to pay next to nothing for something like that. Anywho - figure out your render time, your time to model how ever many 3D characters you'll need, rig them, lip synch their voice to their lips, maybe throw in some motion capture to get the walk/run cycles down accurately, and whatever the render farm will charge you to render out 54,000 frames (30fps x 60 seconds x 30 minutes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanNinja Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Damn, Duke! I was gonna say ONE MILLION DOLLARS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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