Guest FlaviusC Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Hello there! I'm quite inexperienced with outdoor lightning and my client wants me to put the lights on this terrace( i made the roof transparent). Could anyone please give me some general info? where to put the lights,what kind of lights..this is going to be a restaurant's terrace. any idea would be of tremendous help,really! If someone could be so kind and put some marks on this image to show me where to put them...or some general tips about lightning fixtures..because afterward i must put the outdoor lights for the whole building! I would to really thank you guys a lot for helping me out with this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianG Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Most likely you'd have some wall mounted lights up there. Atleast one to the right of the door. Google images for "contemporary outdoor lights" and you'll get some ideas on something easy it model. Then for a restaurant they'd want either hanging lights over the individual tables (which could be complicated without a spec). If you're not the designer then ask for a spec or pick out something easy to model. The quick route is going to be to put recessed can lights in the ceiling spaced out every 4 to 8 feet. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FlaviusC Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I have listened to your advice...I hope I got this right. This is a quick preview? What do you think? The thing is...the client only gave me the architectural plans. No lightning , no color ideas,nothing.I have to come with my own design.This is what I got. Any other ideas about colors etc would be warmly welcomed! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanNinja Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Hi... The lighting looks good, but with that many light sources, there should be some good shadows too (unless they are hidden by the post in the left foreground). The windows are incredibly reflective. At night, you should be able to see inside clearly through the window and it would be more reflective look OUT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FlaviusC Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Yes sir you are right. But i haven't done anything in the interior,it's just plain 128 grey,that's why i've turned off the refraction.Once I do the interior,I'll follow your brdf instructions you have given me yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneis Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Flavius, here's a link to the Erco guide - a very good PDF with everything you need to know about lighting (PDF download link is on the left of the page) http://www.erco.com/guide_v2/startseite/general/start/en/en_start.htm Hopefully it'll help you now, if not, it's a great reference for the future. As for your current lighting, maybe try a softer wash at a lower temperature (K) and accentuate the structure with recessed wall and floor lights. Probably suits a restaurant better and adds a warm feeling for outdoor dining. Go to this link http://www.erco.com/guide_v2/guide_2/outdoor_lig_92/outdoor_lig_92/en/en_outdoor_lig_prog_1.htm for the outdoor lighting guide. All the best, S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FlaviusC Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Wow,thanks mate! That link would be of great assistance for me.I'm downloading the guide right now.I really need some guides like that. Best Regards, Flavius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 This probably wont be any help at all, but I would consider asking the architect for a lighting design or direction. If/when he says: "cant you just make something up?" or "just do a generic design" (both of these translate as I havent got time to do it from scratch so you do my job and I'll criticize it later and tell you how to do it differently) you will have to do lots of extra work. If you are doing this as a contract job, I would put a design fee or amendment fee into the contract. or sketch some light placements on a plan and get him to sign off on it and ensure he knows theres a bill for changes. Whatever you do, put the design ball firmly in the architects/clients court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FlaviusC Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I see what your saying Mr. Tom . I'm quite inexperienced with clients and these kind of stuff since I'm only 19 ( I have just graduated high school ... ) ..However I have some ,i think ,pretty good images for interior,and interior design,but with exteriors seems like it's another problem. Thank you for your information... well the client already told me to "make something up"...this is getting tedious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianG Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I have to say Tommy L is right on the money. Architects will often want you to just "make something up" and it's a slippery slope from being a presentation of their design into a design review tool. The quick sketch idea back to them is a good way to go. When you present this one that you "just made up" you can let him know that it takes a lot of extra work for you to do design even if it seems basic for him. Tell him how you did research on it and how hard it was for you to do. Let him know it ate up however many hours it has. This will atleast put it in his mind that you're not just pushing the "add lighting fixtures" button. About your image: If you don't have time to research color tempatures then just push for a more golden color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FlaviusC Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Thanks for replying BrianG. I have downloaded the guide that shaneis told me about,and I've bought myself "Interiors- an introduction"http://www.bestwebbuys.com/Interiors-ISBN_9780697389404.html?isrc=b-search , which seems like a good book.I'm taking things step by step . Well, this is an experience which teaches me something the hard way... They don't have an electrical either..they want me to put all the electrical outlets, and also the heating system ( heating radiators ) Here is what I got after lowering the color temperature... And this is what I was thinking off for the exterior: I think both images will look better after I model the interior and put interior lights...Then I can turn on refraction for the windows. Thank you all for your time and support ypu have given me ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianG Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Hi Flavius, This is a pretty common request from builders and architects but not one that gets implemented very often. One way to handle it is to say that although the rendering is getting very realistic, putting in the switch plates and HVAC grills is something that is generally NOT done in visualizations. You can say that you be happy to put them in but most clients don't want to carry that expense. Take the time to budget what it will cost you to model, place and re-render and ask if they will cover this time. I know this is your first client so you will have to make a decision on how far you want to go. Personally I think they would be better served by having you add some furniture (although that might take even more time). Good Luck! Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianG Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 One other comment if you'll indulge me: Your night shot of the building has a nice opportunity to show the shape of the building in silhouette with a nice dark blue or violet sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FlaviusC Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Thank you Brian for your support. I'll try to avoid putting the electrical outlets and heating system. On the second floor, around 45% of the surface is made out of glass,that I assume means a lot of heat loss and I'm not an expert in this.I only have basic knowledge like..glass loses heat...hotter air is going up,cold air down stuff like that.And I get peanut paying for I've done so far... A very unpleasant experience for me,but a "healthy" one he he. i'll post some better renders later on! Thank you again guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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