Chris Potts Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Sorry to be rant. Few month ago, I have been brought Window XP 64 Pro for built my own PC follow most people recommend this few month ago. I like Window XP 64 Pro edition becasue it was fast on as I agree what most of you talked about it earlier. It brillant One thing, I was fustrated and angry mad that XP64 Pro wont work compatibility on some software for example:- 1 ) my printer - ( I thinking about buy new one but most printer dont have XP 64 Pro compatibility ) 2) Panorma Exporter error and QTVR, 3) Some games, 4) Most Norton Anti Virus - (Now I gave up this and use AVG ) and among other few list. Why they never fix these problem age ago. Are they ignore this ? I felt they dump XP Pro 64 gap between XP 32 and Vista. I had to brace this carry on until new window coming out 2010 I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanNinja Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 At some point, you have to kiss Backwards Compatibility Goodbye if you want to divorce yourself from problems. You cannot offer 100% compatibility with older programs that have possible security violations and are just plain written poorly, and offer a very secure and stable OS Platform at the same time. They are mutually exclusive. I swore by Norton Antivirus and Firewalls when I was on a 32-bit OS. I freaked when it didn't work on XP64. I found Avast! and have never been happier. Leaner, more thorough and just a better program than Norton. Uses FAR less resources, too. Apple is pissed off and THEY don't offer it for 64-bit Microsoft OSes - not XP64's fault. Not at all. I installed Crysis and it SCREAMS! Completely fluid and photorealistic graphics. I have XP64, a quad-core CPU and 8-gigs of Corsair ram with a 1-gig video card and I've never been happier. I can even play old DOS games if I want (Total Annhillation rocks!). To get around Apple's lack of 64-bit support, I found and installed "DevalVR" and I am completely able to play interactive Quicktime movies. It works BETTER than Apple's quicktime! VERY VERY SMOOTH, and it's free too. Why is it better? It's DESIGNED for a 64-bit operating system. Sorry to shoot down your points, Chris, but XP64 is rock solid stable and delivers incredibly fast performance. By the way, what printer doesn't work with it? Microsoft openly encourages ALL manufacturers to submit the specs to them for testing before they release any new operating systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Potts Posted August 15, 2008 Author Share Posted August 15, 2008 Sorry to shoot down your points, Chris, but XP64 is rock solid stable and delivers incredibly fast performance. Yeah, I know what you mean. I felt same side as you - I agree on XP64 was fanstic. I just want tell that all. Not agrue or debate or fight over this. I felt I've been spend my money on software and hardware for waste that wont compatibilty with XP64. Next time I had to carefully check product specs which compatibility suit with XP64. I just think I just find company manufactured maker were ignore this with never try driver update or fix bug like they think Window XP Pro 64 never exisiting here. Most software and hardware label saying :- Win 98, Window XP, Vista 32 & 64 etc But never say XP64 on it. Very rare on it. I wonder why. I know mine old printer Canon i650 - I love it and it about 7 years old until 64 wont work on it so I have been tried find on Canon website for udpate driver. They dont have one so I have been try email to Canon website for complain and try fix test update driver for printer. They reply me saying sorry can't wont work compatibility. That why I had to find buy right one carefully this year or this christmas. Other older printer can work with update driver. Aye, My favourite game on Splinter Cell. I know it old game. I was thinking aboutmaybe buy Crysis or Metal of Honor later this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattclinch Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 I found Avast! and have never been happier. i love my daily conversation with the avast! man. *in strong american accent* "your virus database has been updated" "why thank you avast! man" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanNinja Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 The first time I heard that, it was about 2 o'clock in the morning, the corridor outside the office was pitch black, the only sound was the fan in the computer. I was sort of nodding off and on, waiting for a test render, and it booms out "YOUR VIRUS DATABASE HAS BEEN UPDATED!" I nearly shat myself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanSpaulding Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 IMO, XP64 is a waste to move to. Microsoft has abandoned development. It doesn't matter that the OS takes less ram to run or its more stable or you prefer XP, when drivers, hardware, games, and apps cease to support it...it's useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneis Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Chris, have you tried these options http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895612 for your printer? To be fair, it isn't entirely Microsoft's fault (I don't believe I just said that ) - it is up to the manufacturers to provide and develop drivers for their own products. Unfortunately, some manufacturers decided not to support XP64 because it costs money to develop and Vista was on it's way. Add to this that XP64 isn't used by too many normal customers, it's mainly professionals. You have a couple of options, if you have an old PC, you might be able to network your XP64 PC with your old XP32 PC and send your print jobs through it to print. Or, you could look into upgrading to a 64-bit Vista (double check that your existing software can run on Vista), or be really careful when you buy your next hardware/ software and research it thoroughly online before you go shopping. Cheer up though, printers have got a lot cheaper in the last 7 years and there is free software out there that is built for XP64 - so hopefully it won't cost you any more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 I think a lot of companies skipped XP64 drivers for old stuff because they made a bunch of changes to the driver system in Vista and XP64 was viewed as a sort of stopgap. Sorry to be calling your printer old, but it is, and it's not really reasonable to expect everybody to support everything forever on every operating system, especially one that's a bit "niche" as XP64 is - it was only ever aimed at the high-performance business computing crowd, which is a lot smaller than the high-performance gaming crowd. However. XP64 has a heck of a lot of advantages over XP32 and Vista, so I run it. I really haven't had a hard time, there are only a couple of thing I use that it doesn't support - Macdisk 6, which enables mounting of Mac hard drives, and iTunes. iTunes can be worked around with a fairly simple hack found by Googling (you get the Vista64 version then trick it into thinking it's an XP64 version). It does, however, support most current printers, for example anything from HP of Epson. I have it running an Epson R800 and it's perfect, and even got it to run an R800 with a set of grayscale cartridges and a special RIP. As Joel said, getting rid of Norton is a good idea anyway. It uses an astounding amount of system resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 off topic but - do you guys using avast use teh free one or paid one? is it worth paying for do you reckon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billabong Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Guys if your wanting one of the best 64 bit anti-viruses. I really urge you to check out BitDefender. It is amazing and has been in the top 5 of the anitviruses for 2 years I think. I have used a lot of AV in the past(Nod32,Avast,Kasperkey's,AVG) and I have never been more satisfied than i am right now http://www.bitdefender.com/ -B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ky Lane Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 1 ) my printer - ( I thinking about buy new one but most printer dont have XP 64 Pro compatibility ) 2) Panorma Exporter error and QTVR, 3) Some games, 4) Most Norton Anti Virus - (Now I gave up this and use AVG ) and among other few list. Your issue is with the vendors, not Microsoft. Why dont Windows 3.11 drivers work in XP? Obvious reasons. Same issue really. Software made for a different version of OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litleboy Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Im jus about to install XP64 pro as a second OS just to render. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanNinja Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 I use the free version. If I start making money using my computer, I'll buy a subscription just to support this great product. The free version does EVERYTHING I need it to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 I use the free version (at home - my office has a commercial package) and I can't think of any more features I want. The "virus database has been updated" message" is kind of funny. My mother says "thank you" every time hers does it. She used to use Norton but it was using half her RAM (seriously, 50% plus or minus) so I installed Avast and it's sped up her computer quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Potts Posted August 15, 2008 Author Share Posted August 15, 2008 Mmm, a lot to read and I will thought about it later. Interesting point it out. Cheer up though, printers have got a lot cheaper in the last 7 years and there is free software out there that is built for XP64 - so hopefully it won't cost you any more money Yeah, I agree that. have you tried these options http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895612 for your printer? Cheer thank, I will try check it out later. Also I dont have network. only one computer at my home. I really wanted to backburner network at my work. IT guy refuse that he think it effect to other computer !!! it booms out "YOUR VIRUS DATABASE HAS BEEN UPDATED!" I nearly shat myself! Funny Do you think ss Avast better than AVG ? Vista had slower than XP as I see my workmate's computer running slow. Look crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FlaviusC Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Speaking of Antivirus... The best package ever,which monitors the registry changes also,is Mcafee. It eats a bit more of your RAM but I haven't had a single problem with it. With Norton I had some adware crap and it wasn't detecting anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneis Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Cheer thank, I will try check it out later. Also I dont have network. only one computer at my home. I really wanted to backburner network at my work. IT guy refuse that he think it effect to other computer !!! Sounds like your IT guy doesn't know anything about Backburner and doesn't want to. It's easier to say "No" than it is to say "I'll look into it". Mention it to your boss, say "There is a safe and controlled way to significantly speed up render times by using the idle CPU time in our office and it won't cost this business a cent - in fact we've already paid for this feature and aren't using it. The problem is our IT guy doesn't want to do it or doesn't know how, or both". That ought to get you some Backburner action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanNinja Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Great way with words, Shane! "Hi, I'm Fred. I'm your new IT guy..." re: McAfee - I use to be a die-hard McAfee fan until I made a move to Norton as part of the corporation I was with at the time. In my pre-Windows days, I use to run multiple anti-virus packages because there would be some viruses that package "A" picked up but not package "B" and visa versa. I think it's still a good AntiVirus program, but I'm happy with Avast! And the name is just so damn cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 IMO, XP64 is a waste to move to. Microsoft has abandoned development. It doesn't matter that the OS takes less ram to run or its more stable or you prefer XP, when drivers, hardware, games, and apps cease to support it...it's useless. I'll be using it (X64) as long as I can...probably 5 years...until MS comes out with a new OS...or until I switch to OSX... I'm still using XP32 on my laptop...and how old is that OS now...works perfectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanNinja Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 I think one think that should be considered is NOT "this OS is old", but rather "this OS has a very long service life". Same thing, but completely different frame of mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Unfortunately Vista is a now become a 'red headed step child' to Microsoft. Even if the completely fix everything that was wrong with, they will never overcome the feelings the general public have towards it. This is further evident by a blind trial that Microsoft had. They took people from the general public, that had no experience with Vista, and asked them to play with their new prototype OS, that would eventually become the next generation of OS they released. According to them, they got great feedback, and the people liked it. Then they revealed to the people that they were really using Vista. The problem is, the word about how bad it is got out to people who don't even use computers. Trying to get the general public to buy into it now will be like trying to make people believe that Yugo was a reliable car brand. So, ....no matter what Microsoft says or does, I don't see the majority business community budging on their reluctance to upgrade to Vista any time soon. So, I would have to guess that Microsoft will push harder to get the next version of their OS out. This probably means it will have a ton of bugs also. Don't foget, Windows XP is really just a fully developed version of Windows NT 4.0 / Windows 2000. The core of their operating system hadn't changed since that time. It took them that long to iron out all of the bugs, and make it run solid. Now they are back to square one. In 5 years they will have another good, solid operating system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneis Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Don't foget, Windows XP is really just a fully developed version of Windows NT 4.0 / Windows 2000. The core of their operating system hadn't changed since that time. It took them that long to iron out all of the bugs, and make it run solid. Now they are back to square one. In 5 years they will have another good, solid operating system. That depends completely on whether or not they build the next OS from the ground up. If they rehash their old kernel, then the next windows will bring with it all the same baggage. I honestly don't know why they can't keep developing and updating the kernel and OS through it's entire life cycle. The Linux world manages to do it every 6 months! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattclinch Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 off topic but - do you guys using avast use teh free one or paid one? is it worth paying for do you reckon? free version is fine for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billabong Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Ok,well since no one commented on my bitdefender. here are three threads showing the top antiviruses , notice that avast is not on any of the lists but Bitfedender is in the top three on all of them. Just something for you guys to consider http://anti-virus-software-review.toptenreviews.com/ http://antivirus.about.com/od/antivirussoftwarereviews/tp/aatpavwin.htm http://www.2009softwarereviews.com/default.aspx?refer=2GAS&keyword=Antivirus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanNinja Posted August 16, 2008 Share Posted August 16, 2008 Hey Brandon, I have no experience with BitDefender, so I didn't have anything to say about it - good or bad. re: list of software - I tend to ignore reviews of movies, too. In my opinion, Avast! does what it says on the tin: It stops viruses without slowing my computer down uncessasarily. And it plays nice with XP64. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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