Cinema 4D v11

[Frosty]

I just downloaded the demo and have been playing with Advanced Render 3 for the last hour. Initial first impression is WOW! WOW! WOW!

 

THIS is the upgrade I've been waiting for!

 

Heavy testing starting now

[Mario Pende]

I havent tried it, but people mostly have the same reactions as you!

But I hear people complaining on Cinemas modeling tools, any ideas why?

[AJLynn]

I've been trying it for about an hour. During which time I've rendered most of the sample scenes and tried a few things myself - which is a pretty impressive render speed jump.

 

Something I like immediately - the GI system works with the C4D Sky system and the presets and everything in the materials system including the funky shaders seems to work perfectly.

 

(I think the reason for the complaints about modeling tools must be that there don't seem to be any updates at all to the modeling tools. One thing I would have really liked to have seen would have been a NURBS editor along the lines of what Maya has, but it's still all about the polygons.)

[tom10]

Hi all, just reading your comments. Can anyone tell me if there is a big difference between ar3 and the ar with c4d 10.5? Is it worth upgrading?

 

tom

[STRAT]

it's basically a completely different beast. definitely worth the upgrade price. it's had it's inspiration taken from vray

[mangalore]

hehehe that is the best joke i have heard about cinema. Seriously, cinema rendering have been one of the best in the market and now with ar3 i can say it surpass vray in many aspect. One of them, ease of use. Not to say so of vray with its many parameters,(some vray experts says is easy).

[STRAT]

hehehe that is the best joke i have heard about cinema.

 

unless you know the actual ins and outs of how the new AR3 came about i cant see why you think it's a joke

 

 

Seriously, cinema rendering have been one of the best in the market and now with ar3 i can say it surpass vray in many aspect. One of them, ease of use. Not to say so of vray with its many parameters,(some vray experts says is easy).

 

Anyhow, thats why i originally dropped years of max use for cinema - c4d is so nice and friendly to use. max just over complicates itself. as for the AR3 as a render engine - yup, it really is nice and simple to use and understand, especially when compaired to vray, but personally for me it lacks vray's quality. (this is just my own opinion i must stress and by no means wanting to start a which-is-better-rendering discussion)

[mangalore]

Well i did this one with the demo and it seems to me like maxwell, and this was with the low setting in the irmap, i mean great quality and just one light and sun

[AJLynn]

Define "like Maxwell". I'm always saying that it's not the software doing the work, but to be fair, that doesn't look like Maxwell.

[innerdream]

Hey,

 

I just started with the demo. Where do I find the Advanced Render? I can't seem to locate it in the render settings?

 

Thanks!

[AJLynn]

The demo has it included and when it's installed it's the default - it's what enables some of the options like GI.

[innerdream]

The demo has it included and when it's installed it's the default - it's what enables some of the options like GI.

 

Ohh. No wonder I can't find it in the menus! I'm having trouble getting the manual installed but I think that's sorted now?

 

Thanks.

[innerdream]

Damn. I can't get the manual installed. Arrrrrrr.

 

Can someone tell me where the UV mapping tools are? Sorry, I'll get the manual somehow.

Edited October 28, 2008 by innerdream

[innerdream]

Okay, got the manual going and here is my first attempt with the demo at an old interior scene. This has no post at all, straight from C4D. I didn't put anything out the windows yet.

Edited October 29, 2008 by innerdream

[innerdream]

Does anyone know how to get a transparent background when using the "sky" out a window so you can add a jpeg as a layer in photoshop? The image I posted I would like to add a jpeg in post out the window and in my other software there was a way to make the background transparent.

 

Thanks.

[Valaskjalf14]

Ok quick question from a layman....

 

Is this C4D R11 just the new version of Cinema 4D or the new Architectural edition? I cant make it out....I wanna try out this new demo but not if its not the Architectural edition because Im currently using 10.5. Or are the two different versions (C4D core edition and Arch edition) now the same thing?

[tom10]

C4d 11 is the new version of C4D. The arch version is the same but you get some architectural materials within the library.

 

The new versions of c4d 11 have the advanced render 3. I have not really used it much, only in the demo. We purchased vray for c4d at work and I now use that with c4d 10.5.

 

I would suggest looking at vray. After a quick read of the manual you will soon start producing nice renders with vray.

[Valaskjalf14]

C4d 11 is the new version of C4D. The arch version is the same but you get some architectural materials within the library.

 

The new versions of c4d 11 have the advanced render 3. I have not really used it much, only in the demo. We purchased vray for c4d at work and I now use that with c4d 10.5.

 

I would suggest looking at vray. After a quick read of the manual you will soon start producing nice renders with vray.

 

Yeah played around with Vray, got a manual for a quick startup render, followed it to a tee and it wouldnt render ANY light. All my renders were pitch black with very faint indication of structure (dark gray lines). Had my sun in the right place, tagged it with Vraylight, even put spotlights in but nothing so I figured screw it lol

 

Got the C4D r11 demo and its pretty cool...only thing is: Is it a "demo" limitation that all renders are severely blurry? Everything is very blurred and smooth eventhough I unticked antialias and no blur.

 

Like I said im very new at this and theres like a million tabs indicating how crisp things should be or how they should blur but im lost. Any good general tip as to where I should look to adjust the blurriness of renders? I only render architectural things (mostly exterior) if thats a help.

 

Thanks!

[STRAT]

cjcj - please use your real name to avoid your account being suspended.

 

the reason why vray didn't work was because you didn't use it correctly. you must either put in a light source or use environmental gi to illuminate things. if you're going to give up just because you cant be bothered learning the basics then you wont expand much farther than a beginner in this business.

 

as for blurry c4d, to make things sharp you need aa and filters ticked on. again, before worrying over a million tags, how about learn a few first?

 

if you post up your blurry image we might be able to better determine the reason for the blur and help you out better.

[Valaskjalf14]

cjcj - please use your real name to avoid your account being suspended.

 

the reason why vray didn't work was because you didn't use it correctly. you must either put in a light source or use environmental gi to illuminate things. if you're going to give up just because you cant be bothered learning the basics then you wont expand much farther than a beginner in this business.

 

as for blurry c4d, to make things sharp you need aa and filters ticked on. again, before worrying over a million tags, how about learn a few first?

 

if you post up your blurry image we might be able to better determine the reason for the blur and help you out better.

 

First of all...Im trying to change my porfile to reflect my real name but what is the point of being able to edit everything in my profile cept my name? So please be so kind as to tell me where I do that change because its not under the "change details" section.

 

Secondly the reason why Im just giving up is because Im not a 3D modeller...Im a 4th year Architecture student and dont exactly have the time to just sit around messing with my renders as I have other more pressing things to attend to.

[rhodesy]

I'd suggest you try and make time, vray is way ahead of AR3 in terms of architectural rendering quality and if you want to show your project in its best light then learn vray - it's really not that hard once you have got the basics. Students have more time than full time workers - i know, i was an architectural student once!

[STRAT]

First of all...Im trying to change my porfile to reflect my real name but what is the point of being able to edit everything in my profile cept my name? So please be so kind as to tell me where I do that change because its not under the "change details" section.

 

good point email or pm me your info and i'll do it for you.

 

 

Secondly the reason why Im just giving up is because Im not a 3D modeller...Im a 4th year Architecture student and dont exactly have the time to just sit around messing with my renders as I have other more pressing things to attend to.

 

as rhodesy says, VR is generally considered a fair bit superior to the AR for architectural rendering, and in my experience i find VR easier and faster to learn as well. it's well worth getting the basics under your belt.

[tom10]

Hi

 

I am a forth year student of architecture and at our university presentation is key! same in the real world! I used archicad and lightworks up until the end of my third year and then made the switch to c4d because it was far better for rendering.

 

After 5 months with AR I switched to vray! No looking back, after reading the manual and a few example scenes I think vray is the best especially with c4d. Its so easy to produce nice images!

 

I would suggest you just stick at it and ask for help mate, its the only way anyone gets any better. There are loads of people out there willing to help!

 

Your lighting issues may have something to do with your materials and your vray camera (Try lowering the film ISO in the physical camera)

 

Just keep at it. theres plenty of people willing to help

 

best regards

 

Tom

[mdbassett]

Yippeee. This great. I am loving this upgrade. Only using the demo at the moment but looks great. Seems a lot slower rendering though but better results. I probably need to tweak some settings for speed.

[crash0510]

From all the 3d programs I've installed and tryed the C4D had the best feel and user friendliness, actually loved every minute of learning it. And made a project and learnt how to use it (the hard way - way too much poly count), then switched to win 7 64 bit and upgraded memory to 9 gigs and now works like a charm..

 

But with the vray - people say it's great and all.. but at least two or three things bother me.. Hair module - i learnt to make grass and flower beddings with the module.. and I hate converting everything to polygons for vray to work with it - and some additional hair effect don't work - and I don't see a way for Fur to convert to polygons - only hair, and fur renders much faster than hair.. (thats r11).. and it's a pain to redo it again if you make a mistake

 

And ambient occlusion - I know vray has it, but then I have to put it in every material I make, so I can't be bothered with that right now, I just switch AO on in the cinemas AR and that's it..

 

Anyway, tried the fryrender solution, and was simply amazed at how a simple setup can produce amazingly realistic results.. and has those features so you can change the brightness and iso levels on the go.. the main drawback is that it is simply unusable when you discover an overnight session is not enough for a render to clear up.. and get's redicilous slow at a large scene - and everything looks great at only the default lighting setup - is there anything else doing it like that but faster

I would even consider setting up a render farm..

 

Vray c4d doesn't support network render.. (i mean if rendering a single picture) I read the vray for sketchup supports it - I mean, that's redicolous sketchup has better support than cinema? If that's the case - then I don't care for the built in vray for c4d - I would rather like a exporter to 3dmaxes vray plugin, as it has a huge user base - sure it has a better work flow - but 3d max comunity get's the latest upgrades and technology.. I hate working in 3dmax, that's why I didn't manage to learn it - it was just over complicating it with the simplest things.. didn't motivate me enough.. but still now I think I'd like to get to 3dmax just for the vray stuff they develop for it, how about vray RT? And network render for the single frame - I'd like that a lot