sparksue Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Hi Guys! Just want to check whether as a Architecture Visualization, do you have to design the space or just given the layout / autocad dimension by the client and start to work from there? [including which materials / furniture / etc] Your job is just pure rendering. nothing else. I am not sure how other counties work, but somehow my country as a freelance in interior Visualization (i just started trying out) the client tend to give us the job in the mind of us designing the space as well... (after convert) US$85 per rendered picture. [my render rating] I I was wondering is it the same as the rest of the people who work this line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sna_e Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 In my experiance, the customer usually gives some guidelines you should try to match... sometimes you'll work with a real interior designer. your rendering must include some furniture... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneis Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 ...somehow my country as a freelance in interior Visualization (i just started trying out) the client tend to give us the job in the mind of us designing the space as well... (after convert) US$85 per rendered picture. [my render rating]... WHAT! Your clients want you design the interiors, create the 3D files and render for $85 per render! I'd be thinking more like $850 per render... or $85/hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanNinja Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 i"ve been dabbling on http://www.guru.com and the VERY FEW inquiries I get to my bids are along the lines of: "We like your portfolio, but we have a number of bids from China and India. If you can match their bid of $50, then we'll go with you." Nuts... I got my 2nd commercial job from Guru. They liked my portfolio, liked my suggestions, and went with my higher (i.e. more realistic) quote. I find clients like this are very rare, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 I am not sure how other counties work, but somehow my country as a freelance in interior Visualization (i just started trying out) the client tend to give us the job in the mind of us designing the space as well... (after convert) US$85 per rendered picture. [my render rating] I say again what will you provide the client with for $85? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyElNino Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Thats a lot of renders at US$85 before you pay off your copy of 3D Studio Max...(!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 abandon ship, abandon ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horhe Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 Thats eighty-five? I suggest we put a sticky for CGA members to post their quotes using words and not numbers in case of typos that shake this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparksue Posted September 5, 2008 Author Share Posted September 5, 2008 That's the reason!! That's why i was wondering whether do you guys having these things as well? What i worry is that they have the mindset that being a Visualization you have to include giving idea and rendering.. It's nuts!! I myself did not really like to work with so low..and i have to think of the concept as well..feel tiring at times. So was wondering how much you guys charge? As in just pure rendering? what about with ideas as well? P.S: I believe that's plenty of company in my country do willing to fork alot more perhaps i have to go search around.. However what's the standard price to charge for 1 rendered picture? Would appreciate someone can let me know about it so that i can learn from there and give myself a better earning living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerdream Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 This profession needs a union world wide to keep prices at a reasonable level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ky Lane Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Gee, my clients would be lucky to get a meeting with me for $85 :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 That's the reason!! That's why i was wondering whether do you guys having these things as well? What i worry is that they have the mindset that being a Visualization you have to include giving idea and rendering.. It's nuts!! I myself did not really like to work with so low..and i have to think of the concept as well..feel tiring at times. So was wondering how much you guys charge? As in just pure rendering? what about with ideas as well? P.S: I believe that's plenty of company in my country do willing to fork alot more perhaps i have to go search around.. However what's the standard price to charge for 1 rendered picture? Would appreciate someone can let me know about it so that i can learn from there and give myself a better earning living. Depends on many things... Mainly on standard of living. Exchange rates dont really expose much. I like the 'Big Mac Index'. This is an interesting currency evaluation table invented by some economics student (if my source of 'guy down the pub' is reliable). It essentially compares the price of a big mac in the country in question. The reason being that a big mac is a product that is identical in all countries and accurately reflects the cost of living. Also depends on the quality of your work and the job in question. SO...... 1: How much is a Big Mac in Singapore 2: Post a render ....in response I will tell you what I would have quoted to do the render. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAcky Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Going back to the original question; I do have to help out the architects and designers usually as they really can't be bothered with the placement of objects. Im sure some do take it seriously, but I figure if I do it as best I can then my renders will come out looking better than if I left it up to the architect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparksue Posted September 15, 2008 Author Share Posted September 15, 2008 Depends on many things... Mainly on standard of living. Exchange rates dont really expose much. I like the 'Big Mac Index'. This is an interesting currency evaluation table invented by some economics student (if my source of 'guy down the pub' is reliable). It essentially compares the price of a big mac in the country in question. The reason being that a big mac is a product that is identical in all countries and accurately reflects the cost of living. Also depends on the quality of your work and the job in question. SO...... 1: How much is a Big Mac in Singapore 2: Post a render ....in response I will tell you what I would have quoted to do the render. Tom. Hi Tom, In Singapore, Big Mac set meal cost around S$6.50 [should be around US$4.60?] Yup...Perharps it's my render as i am still new using Vray... Will have to get more pratice so that i can raise my fees as well. Also as time goes by my fees will also based on just pure rendering.. Lucky then currently have a full-time job as a interior designer so i can learn during night time while earning a full-time job in day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 "The Economist's Big Mac index is based on the theory of purchasing-power parity (PPP), according to which exchange rates should adjust to equalise the price of a basket of goods and services around the world. Our basket is a burger: a McDonald’s Big Mac. The table below shows by how much, in Big Mac PPP terms, selected currencies were over- or undervalued at the end of January. Broadly, the pattern is such as it was last spring, the previous time this table was compiled (see article). The most overvalued currency is the Icelandic krona: the exchange rate that would equalise the price of an Icelandic Big Mac with an American one is 158 kronur to the dollar; the actual rate is 68.4, making the krona 131% too dear. The most undervalued currency is the Chinese yuan, at 56% below its PPP rate; several other Asian currencies also appear to be 40-50% undervalued. …" ok! 1 USD = 1.4 SGD (approx) 5 USBMM = $6.5 SBMM So our ppp (purchasing power parity) is 5/6.5 For a standard interior I would charge around $2000. So if I was in Singapore I would charge around 2600SGD. I'd say you're undercharging at $85 by the power of 30. Note: My mathematics is fxxxing terrible, as is my knowledge of economics. This may be way off the mark. Have the teacher check my work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Buckley Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 (edited) i don't mean to sound like a know it all and i haven't done maths in ages, but wouldn't 85 to the power of the 30 be millions even billions and trillions???? 85x85x85x85 . . . etc until you have done it 30 times??? or do i need to give up on arch viz and go back to school sorry, only just saw your note: on the bottom of that post. but 85 to the power of 2 is still way to high 85x85=7225 but then again can sum1 get the teacher to check mine also Edited September 15, 2008 by Dave Buckley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanNinja Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I think he's saying you're not charging enough. Did you ever post a render? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I forgot what 'power of' means....... I meant just x30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparksue Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 I didn't post any render before, however i believe my standard is not up to US$200 per piece standard... How about this, how much does you guys charge when you first started out? At least this will not have any misleading to people that i charge so low even with a good rendering skills...making myself so cheap... Oh ya..just want to check whether do you guys do modeling all the things from furnitures - lightings? Or using models that already done by others? I am curious...especially to those who charge alot per pc render? At least i can know my work range..Thanks guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyElNino Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 How about this, how much does you guys charge when you first started out? At least this will not have any misleading to people that i charge so low even with a good rendering skills...making myself so cheap... I think to judge this you should, as the other guys have said, upload some images you have rendered for clients. If they're bad maybe people will feel better at out charging you 20 to 1 but if they're good we will all have to sit back and think of ways to make sure nobody knows about it! I also think that, if someone's work is bad, they shouldn't be charging for it in the first place. If you put yourself out there offering a service a client, no matter what the fee is, they should expect a minimum level of service. It's unprofessional to exploit a clients inexperience or ignorance of what is achievable in CG. Pricing is different even within the same country and is only similar if companies or individuals have similar financial obligations and overheads etc. If I don't have an office, any staff or massive start up loans etc I can probably charge less but I will be unable to complete work of larger scales in smaller time frames. There are far too many variables to say I charge X in the UK and Y in Singapore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparksue Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 Alright...here's my render. Please let me know whether my render lousy or?? Anyway i also stop getting jobs..until i learn more about modelings and vray rendering... Let me know whether am i charge to much or too low with my standard? Thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horhe Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 For a standard interior I would charge around $2000. So if I was in Singapore I would charge around 2600SGD. I didn't post any render before, however i believe my standard is not up to US$200 per piece standard... Well you missed one "0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparksue Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 Well you missed one "0" How will you rate my rendering skill? How much does my render worth? Can't be that much..S$2000?! I still believe my rendering is not really that good yet..anyway do you guys model the whole scene / area or use purchased models and put in it? Currently i am using those purchased models which is why i start to learn modeling and thinking of getting the 2 new books [3ds Max for Architectural Visualization Books] Was thinking whether is it a good choice to get it? But it seem that the book dont really touch on Vray...any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 1: How much is a Big Mac in Singapore 2: Post a render LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourthand11 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 This profession needs a union world wide to keep prices at a reasonable level. I've been saying this for years. And trying to include all those in the gaming and film industries who are getting screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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