Crazy Homeless Guy Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 has anyone actually used max 6 yet? ...i am interested in knowing if it is faster. one of my biggest complaints abut max is how slow it responds to things when compared to other software. lightwave does what you tell it to do without hesitation. 3dmax seems to hesitate when moving things around, clicking buttons, ect... with most software your speed is limited by how fast and accurately you can click (minus heavy rendering/modeling operations). with max my speed is limmited by how slow it responds to simple operations. am i the only one who thinks this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgarcia Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 Nope - I think this also. But maybe it's b/c I use a GeForce3 Ti500 and this makes my viewports slow. But this was not the case with lightwave when I tried it. But I could not get used to the interface - plus Max can use Vray!! Wish Max would get faster though. Xavier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbr Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 I was beginning to wonder if it was just my settings. I've got a Quadro 700 GXL, which isn't too bad, but I don't notice it being any faster (in Max's viewports) than my old system with a GeForce 2. Lightwave is quick, too, eh? I know FormZ is fast, too. When you move and object, it would move. On my system, when I move an object (in a medium sized file - 38mb) the whole screen flashes and it takes minutes before it is actually in the right place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperDanJelly Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 Note that with any past max version until the 5.1, my computer reacts the same i.e. all depends of plugins you use and amount of ressources dedicated to Max (you can specify !). These days, my geforce4 (tweaked as quadro 900xgl) isn't working, i'm using the 'inside chipset' and it's so slow, you cannot imagine ... Hope to recover it again because I have a big work to do for the end of the month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted August 9, 2003 Author Share Posted August 9, 2003 i keep hearing that max 6 is 'a complete re-write' of the code. so hopefully this cleans things up, and makes everything run smoothly. DapperDanJelly... i am relatively new to max. i started using with version 5/5.1. i have been running on the default configuration. if i un-install some of the plug-ins that installed by default, will max run better? xgarcia... i run a geforce 4 ti and i am boggy also. imo these cards should preform fine with max, they preform fine with other 3d apps. i think the problem lies more in poor coding than us letting our cards be a year or two old. mbr... which version of formz are you running? i have been a long time user. version 3.xx was fast with the exception of complex boolean operations. autodessys rewrote version 4 from the ground up, and in my opinion it is really 'boggy' compared to the old version. version 4 is not on final release yet, so i am hoping it improves, but it is frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plastic Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 max 6 is NOT a 'complete re-write of code'. the same old engine but compiled with a new version of vc++, so old plugins wont be compatible. if you want good viewport performance (especially with wireframes) get a quadro card (900 or better), not a geforce, and use the maxtreme drivers. ps...softquadro does not really work for generation 4 cards. [ August 09, 2003, 11:36 AM: Message edited by: plastic ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted August 9, 2003 Author Share Posted August 9, 2003 Originally posted by plastic: max 6 is NOT a 'complete re-write of code'. the same old engine but compiled with a new version of vc++, so old plugins wont be compatible. if you want good viewport performance (especially with wireframes) get a quadro card (900 or better), not a geforce, and use the maxtreme drivers. ps...softquadro does not really work for generation 4 cards. we recently purchased max 5, and the latest version of vray advanced (i am not sure of the version number because i have not had time to dive into it yet). we also opted for the max family plan, or whatever they call it, where we will get the upgrade to 6 for free. does the new version of vc++ mean that my current version of vray will not work with max 6? quadro cards do not fit into my budget. the geforce card is sufficient to run all of my other 3d software besides max. are we supposed to sit around and support 3dmax's sloppy code by spending 4 times as much on a video card to run their software after i just spent twice as much to buy their software? i am at fault for this as anyone else because i supported them by purchasing their software. the only reason i went along with their purchase was because of vray. it produces some of the nicest images on the market, now there is a chance that i might not be compatible with max 6? because max has been so heavily pirated over the years the number of resources, from models to plug-ins, can not be matched. so they basically control the market, allowing them to be sloppy, and get away with it. i can rant and rave all i want, and people can tell me if i don't like it to use other software. oh well. i guess i just had a false sense of hope about max 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgarcia Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 Well, we'll just have to see what it is like when it is released! Xavier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abicalho Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 i am at fault for this as anyone else because i supported them by purchasing their software. the only reason i went along with their purchase was because of vray. it produces some of the nicest images on the market, now there is a chance that i might not be compatible with max 6? because max has been so heavily pirated over the years the number of resources, from models to plug-ins, can not be matched. so they basically control the market, allowing them to be sloppy, and get away with it. [/QB]Vray will be available for MAX 6, when MAX 6 is out. The MAX 5 version will not work, surely, but Chaosgroup is already working with Discreet to get a version for MAX 6 out in the market as fast as possible. So, most likely, when you get your copy of MAX 6, you'll just need to download VRay. We at Discreet do work hard to try to get you the best quality software possible, and we do worry a lot about performance. Viewport performance is something we have always been working with, and we do worry about it. DX8 has offered Cashed Meshes in MAX 5, making it a lot faster to orbit non-deformed meshes, but that usually also means you need to work with a better video card. Give it a try with DX8 in Shaded mode and check to see if you get better performance. Hope it helps, Alexander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Any and every AutoDESK/Discreet product I have ever used is notoriously bad at taking FULL advantage of the hardware available. I see MAX (up to version 5) is no different, and I would suspect that MAX6 is not a whole lot better. Discreets usual "game" is to rely on the customer buying the fastest hardware available to conpensate for their sloppy code. Ofcourse when you are working on large scenes, even the fastest hardware can't make up for piss poor programming. I really hope MAX6 is different, but history is against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted August 10, 2003 Author Share Posted August 10, 2003 Originally posted by Alexander Esppeschit Bicalho: Vray will be available for MAX 6, when MAX 6 is out. The MAX 5 version will not work, surely, but Chaosgroup is already working with Discreet to get a version for MAX 6 out in the market as fast as possible. So, most likely, when you get your copy of MAX 6, you'll just need to download VRay. do you know if the max 6 version of vray will be considered an upgrade that chaos group will be charging for, or a download making the current version i own compatible with max 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plastic Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 you can use proxy objects with xrefs. you can use the optimize modifier for viewport degration of complex objects. with hotkeys and scripting this is very efficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuno Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 Any and every AutoDESK/Discreet product I have ever used is notoriously bad at taking FULL advantage of the hardware... you probably didnt work with acadr12... nuno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abicalho Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 do you know if the max 6 version of vray will be considered an upgrade that chaos group will be charging for, or a download making the current version i own compatible with max 6? [/QB]That's something you should e-mail Chaosgroup and ask them. Alexander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulcalif Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 ps...softquadro does not really work for generation 4 cards. Plastic: Softquadro works very well on Gen 4 cards. It's can be bit tricky to install--you must read the instructions very carefully. I'm using it with my GF4 TI4600, and it makes a huge difference. I did pre and post install benchmarks to confirm this. There is a 2x performance increase with most of the MAX viewport benchmarks. In addition, I compared the results with known quadro 9 series benchmarks. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinese Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Please tell me to download the chaining of MAX6.0 trial edition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abicalho Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 You can check for information on 3dsmax 6 here: http://www.discreet.com/products/3dsmax6/ There's a link to download the trial, and, as it mentions, the trial will be available in October 2003. You can subscribe to be notified, if you want so. Alexander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperDanJelly Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 you're right, I did the same, I 'tweaked' my ti4600 with softquadro and it works like a charm (you must turn FSAA off to get results like real quadro 4 cards). http://www.nvworld.ru to see how to. I don't use my card for gaming but only for work inside 3dsmax so bad gaming performance involved by the 'tweaking' isn't a problem for me. here are the esults I presented ( my ti4600 / my ti 4600 tweaked) with specviewperf ---------- SUM_RESULTS\AWADVS\SUMMARY.TXT AWadvs-04 Weighted Geometric Mean = 75 / 396.4 ---------- SUM_RESULTS\DRV\SUMMARY.TXT DRV-07 Weighted Geometric Mean = 18 / 50.38 ---------- SUM_RESULTS\DX\SUMMARY.TXT DX-06 Weighted Geometric Mean = 25 / 79.58 ---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT Light-04 Weighted Geometric Mean = 7 / 18.25 ---------- SUM_RESULTS\MEDMCAD\SUMMARY.TXT MedMCAD-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 21 / 104.2 ---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROCDRS\SUMMARY.TXT ProCDRS-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 15 / 33.03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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