Elbereth Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 (edited) Dear friends, I need your professional adviсes and your opinions about my idea (I decided to open new special thread to discuss it): I am project manager of 3D artists team. We have really big experience of work with different projects. We worked on one of world-leaders 3D viz companies by 2 years. Our team contents of 5 professional CG artists. So you can see that we are not "baby" freelancers. Now we work as freelance team with some Russian clients, but it isn't enough for us. I'd like to work with USA and UK 3D companies as freelance team. It has some advantages: 1) We have big time difference with USA continent – about 8 hours. This difference let us to make all our work when our clients sleep. Therefore, our clients can get new information and renderings from us every morning; and they have whole day to communicate with their clients and describe all edits and additions. 2) We don’t need any visas to work with foreign companies. For another thing, cost of one our work hour is lower than in USA or Europe. (15-20 Euro, not more). For this reason our clients can get their projects with good value for the money. 3) We are really cool russian guys and we love our profession Subject: I can't establish outsorce partnership with any foreigh company! All my letters had been blocked as SPAM on all post servers, or had been deleted after reading... Nobody has written to me:( Where is my mistake? PS. Sorry for mistakes, English isn't my first language:) Edited October 1, 2008 by Elbereth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kippu Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 i think getting introduced online is a rarity , it happens , has happened to me and i have built a long working relationship with them but i dont think it can replace a marketing trip and meeting the clients for the first time to estalblish your credentials and then take it up from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerdream Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I'm always open to talented people to outsource overflow to. You can start by posting a link to your work. You might consider running ads on Google and the Architectural trades as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ky Lane Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 3) We are really cool russian guys and we love our profession Not to mention probably the hottest bloke Ive ever seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Isn't that a render? (BTW, Irina isn't a bloke name, is it?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ky Lane Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Isn't that a render? (BTW, Irina isn't a bloke name, is it?) You Americans just don't get irony or sarcasm as humour, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneis Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 ...I can't establish outsorce partnership with any foreigh company! All my letters had been blocked as SPAM on all post servers, or had been deleted after reading... Nobody has written to me:( Where is my mistake? You'll probably find that "advertising" email from Eastern Europe, Russia and South East Asia is blocked as spam by the ISP or mail server in most western countries because it is spam - unsolicited commercial advertising email. Interestingly, even if your work and services are of a high quality, by using email to promote these services you are probably doing damage to your reputation rather than helping it. Your main challenge is to make your group look different to the hundreds of others trying to source international clients by bulk emailng. One way around this could be to have some brochures printed and send them via post to the firms you would target as potential business partners. It is a more expensive approach, but it looks much more professional and people are more likely to take you seriously. Similarly, if you know anyone in the countries you mentioned, have them arrange to meet with potential clients on your behalf. As Maria (kippu) said, there is nothing better than meeting face-to-face. Best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Sher Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Privet Irina, E-mailing a potential client is probably the worst thing you can do. For some reason people think that if you have e-mail it automatically entitles other people to send you stuff. I've never, ever, ordered anything from a company that send me a random e-mail. It is very simple, you never know where it comes from and who stands behind it. Now i am sorry to tell you this but if you are in sales/marketing it actually involves more than writing e-mails to people that you have never met. It is possibly the hardest job within any firm and it takes a very special person to do it. I would say fearless who does not take no for an answer. Now, when i opened my own firm, the very first thing i did was to get a architects directory within mu country and then i phoned every single architect and developer starting with "A". Did i enjoy it, truthfully...no.... But it was the case of if i don't sell we don't eat and slowly but surely we started to make appointments and see people and after a little while we started signing up work. It was very much a gradual work and then it started develop a life of its own and people were referring us to each other. Five years down the line and we work all over the world with top firms all over the world. It is not about that you can offer the product cheaper... In fact we try to offer it as expensive as possible.. We know our value and we are not afraid to say it.. Does Louis Vitton say "we produce this in India or China so now you can buy this $9.99"...i think not... Anyway, just a food for thought but if you serious about wanting to get to places you've got to decide how you want to position yourself as the company and then device a plan to achieve it... Sorry for a long answer but i guess there is no short way of saying it... Good luck (dasvidanie) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanNinja Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 I'd never spam anyone either. However, I do e-mail people that send me feedback from my Contact Us link on my website. I also call them if they give me their phone number. Direct mail is one way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNJ73 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 You Americans just don't get irony or sarcasm as humour, do you? Irony... that's that stuff from the Alanis Morrisette song, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyElNino Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Unfortunately .ru emails have a bad reputation... Email is cheap and quick, which are two bye words for bad. Although a printed brochure and a covering letter (which, no offence, will both require better English) are more tangible to a client and hint at a greater effort on your part they are easily overlooked in large companies who receive so much junk mail everyday. What you need to do, as Arnold mentioned, is to squeeze the internet for architectural firms and developers etc (but it will be worth looking a the websites rather than just rinsing a phone number on the quick) and cold call them, maybe asking if they'd be interested in receiving a DVD and a brochure and explain what services you can offer and why they should be considering outsourcing their 3D work to Russia...Atleast then you're only direct mailing those people who have agreed and you have a contact. People aren't as busy as they were so maybe you'll get some joy, if its cheaper that may help too given recent global events... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreg Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Irony... that's that stuff from the Alanis Morrisette song, right? Yeah but the thing is that Alanis Morissette is canadian, not american Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneis Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 You Americans just don't get irony or sarcasm as humour, do you? Irony... that's that stuff from the Alanis Morrisette song, right? Yeah but the thing is that Alanis Morissette is canadian, not american And with that, we now have PURE GOLD! Sarcasm as an entree, paradox for the main course and irony for a sweet finale! I luv werdz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Irony... that's that stuff from the Alanis Morrisette song, right? No, no, no--that's the thing your wife uses to get the wrinkles out of your boxers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbereth Posted October 2, 2008 Author Share Posted October 2, 2008 Hi everybody! Thanks for your useful advices - Kippu, Shaneis, Arnold! It's really good idea to send printed broshures to potential clients and have a telephone call after that. One trouble - my verbal English isn't as free as written. But I think I can get it over. Arnold, I am very thankful to you for your post, it was very important for me to read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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