tecton3d Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Here's a link to a comparison between Max. Maya, and XSI running on Vista 64 and XP 64. Max|Maya|XSI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNJ73 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 What were the tests comprised of? Render times? Timeline playback in viewport? Direct user manipulation of the viewport? They never specify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tecton3d Posted November 4, 2008 Author Share Posted November 4, 2008 (edited) What were the tests comprised of? Render times? Timeline playback in viewport? Direct user manipulation of the viewport? They never specify. read the section after "AND THE WINNER IS....." see section titled "TESTS" ...scroll down, observe chart, click "page two" fwiw: it is a confusing layout;) edit: no matter the specifics... the results make Max look like a dunce! Edited November 4, 2008 by tecton3d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanNinja Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 These kinds of tests remind me of the old comparison charts for various programming languages. "C is better!" "Pascal is better!" They're tools. I look at a software package as a toolchest. Some toolchests have really neat spanners. Some have a wide assortment of screwdrivers. I know a mechanic that can work on a racecar with just a wrench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Pizzini Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 hey guys, a director at autodesk has asked to refute some of the claims made in the white paper and i'll publish those and edit my article when he gets them to me. basically its breaks down to the fact that the tests were run in wire frame which direct x isn't optimized for...so it makes max look worse than it seems. if you work alot in wireframe in your particular work flow then these tests should be considered. but autodesk will likely point out that the gpu is not being used. if it were, then max's results would have been much better. look for some edits to that article soon. thanks for looking. -joe 3d speed machine dot com geez i need to get to 10 posts so i can post a link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNJ73 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 read the section after "AND THE WINNER IS....." see section titled "TESTS" ...scroll down, observe chart, click "page two" fwiw: it is a confusing layout;) edit: no matter the specifics... the results make Max look like a dunce! Aaaah... gotcha now. Funny, my first impression was that Vista came off the worst of any of the software listed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beestee Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I don't really feel that these tests have any bearing on the arch vis community. The strengths of XSI are in organic modeling/animation...if you are an arch vis artist, it doesn't matter how quick your viewports are if your available tools are inadequate for modeling structures efficiently. I also do not feel enough information was given regarding the Vista vs XP comparisons to be able to draw any conclusions from those results. I know from experience that sometimes it only takes one faulty setting in Vista to cut your performance nearly in half. So if you are going to fault Vista for anything, fault it for being too complex for end users to tweak and adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneis Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I know from experience that sometimes it only takes one faulty setting in Vista to cut your performance nearly in half. So if you are going to fault Vista for anything, fault it for being too complex for end users to tweak and adjust. That's as good a reason as any to fault it. You do realise that by stating Vista is only one tweak away from snail-paced performance and "too complex for end users to tweak and adjust" you have confirmed that it is completely deserving of its reputation as a Lemon. Nice try and remember, you said it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beestee Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 You do realise that by stating Vista is only one tweak away from snail-paced performance and "too complex for end users to tweak and adjust" you have confirmed that it is completely deserving of its reputation as a Lemon. XP has many similar settings that can result in the same snail effect from just one setting, even a few that can give it considerable speed increases in certain scenarios. So does that make XP a lemon as well? Or any program that isn't tweaked specifically for your needs right out of the box for that matter? Vista has a reputation as a lemon because of the amount of marketing MS put into it. I will agree that it was not ready for use by the general public, and it shouldn't have been advertised as such. However it was a necessary step to advance the PC platform, and I do not regard it as a lemon becuase I am able to use it successfully everyday. This bias against Vista is the reason I brought this up in this thread, because it is a popular opinion. Without more disclosure to the setup these tests were performed under, I do not think one should draw conclusions on the XP vs Vista aspect of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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