switching from 32bit to 64bit

[Three D]

okay. Enough is enough. It's time for me to switch to a 64bit os on my home pc -office pc will stay 32bit for now. I have an unused xp 64bit i could use or should i go for vista 64bit ? I have a 2.93ghz quad core which will have 8gb ram and already has 320mb nvidia geforce gts8000. I'm tempted just to go for vista and put up with a slight loss in speed versus xp but would like some advice. I use 3ds max design 2009 and vray 1.50 sp2. Thanks.

Edited November 5, 2008 by Three D

[BrianKitts]

vista has no place in the workplace as far as I'm concerned. all of it's bells and whistles are consumer based. If I had my wish I'd stay with XP forever. Even windows 7 is just going to be mostly usability and interface updates.

 

so to answer your question, I'd stick with what's solid (XP) if it was my work computer. But since you said you're doing it at home I would base the answer off of how much are you going to use the system work for work versus pleasure. If you freeleance/work at home my vote is to stay with XP.

Edited November 5, 2008 by BrianKitts

[amer abidi]

vista has no place in the workplace as far as I'm concerned. all of it's bells and whistles are consumer based. If I had my wish I'd stay with XP forever. Even windows 7 is just going to be mostly usability and interface updates.

 

so to answer your question, I'd stick with what's solid (XP) if it was my work computer. But since you said you're doing it at home I would base the answer off of how much are you going to use the system work for play versus pleasure. If you freeleance/work at home my vote is to stay with XP.

 

agree completely. besides, from what ive been reading, Vista 64 is not only slightly slower in 3D application performance, but can actually drag to HALF the speed of XP 64bit...

[lambros]

if you have the xp64 copy use that. I am on vista64 on 5 quad core desktops and have no usability problems. The speed difference between xp and vista 64 is documented and should be considered, but I have no real complains with a quad core!

[Ky Lane]

Im running Vista64 on this machine for about 6 months now, and its been a dream? Never had any issues, performance is devine. Never crashes, never whinges?

[pipjor]

performance is devine.

see this comparison

http://www.cgarchitect.com/news/newsfeed.asp?nid=4250

[Ky Lane]

see this comparison

http://www.cgarchitect.com/news/newsfeed.asp?nid=4250

 

I guess its all relative really isnt it? With 8 cores, im not really noticing anything thats making me wish it was quicker.

[pipjor]

I guess its all relative really isnt it?

 

how true, a old 2000 review on P4

 

Pentium 4. If you can spend the extra bucks and like the strengths of Pentium 4 ....

.......Pentium 4 at 1.4 GHz goes for $644,

 

and we thought we were the sh*t in 2000 with our new P4's

Edited November 6, 2008 by pipjor

[Antisthenes]

yup use your XP 64x bit is my advise too.

 

vista is a bomb for production as far as i am concerned.

[Three D]

thanks for your help guys. yeah, xp64 it is. hopefully it will sort of some other issues i've been having with vray.

[STRAT]

i know peeps that use both vista64 and xp64 with no issues, but i know far far more peeps who recommend xp64 and i know loads of peeps that dont recommend vista in any shape or form. i personally use xp64. being able to utilise my full 12 gig of ram is heaven

[Antisthenes]

funny how 2008 is what vista should have been(but that is a server) and 7 is no faster than Vista, where vista shows slower in all tests against XP for production.

 

i choose XP 64x too. and i think Linux is where i might go next

[adricorrea]

For rendering time, definitively XP64, I have seen both of them working at the same time in similar computer specificions and vista64 is unbelievably slower:)

[danb4026]

So what to you mean by Vista being a bomb?

 

I have 3 machines running vista 64 and have lots of problems with crashes, freezing etc. I was running a very important render two nights ago, it was going to take about 10 hours. So I started it and went to bed thinking that when I got up it would be done and I would be looking at a nice finished product. To my horror, the computer screen was black, but the computer was on. It either hibernated or went to sleep. There was nothing I could do to wake it up and I had to reset and loose the render.

 

The next day, I ran the render again and about 75% thru, the render froze, no progress whatsoever. This with DR, and it was the host machine that froze.

 

I am on a production deadline, and cannot afford those kinds of disasters.

 

I have great components with a combined total of 12 cores, 22GB of memory, quadro 4600 cards etc. Yet with all of this, I have tons of problems.

 

I don't know what else to blame it on other than Vista. I am thinking about going back to XP 64 but am afraid of what I will have to do to change or udate all of my programs.

 

If just to make rendering faster, I would consider changing is I could simply keep all of my important programs intact ie Max, Vray, PS, etc.

 

Is there proof that XP renders faster?

 

 

 

 

 

 

yup use your XP 64x bit is my advise too.

 

vista is a bomb for production as far as i am concerned.

Edited November 21, 2008 by danb4026
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[Antisthenes]

maybe you could write off your losses and call them a donation to MS ;p

[adricorrea]

So what to you mean by Vista being a bomb?

 

I have 3 machines running vista 64 and have lots of problems with crashes, freezing etc. I was running a very important render two nights ago, it was going to take about 10 hours. So I started it and went to bed thinking that when I got up it would be done and I would be looking at a nice finished product. To my horror, the computer screen was black, but the computer was on. It either hibernated or went to sleep. There was nothing I could do to wake it up and I had to reset and loose the render.

 

The next day, I ran the render again and about 75% thru, the render froze, no progress whatsoever. This with DR, and it was the host machine that froze.

 

I am on a production deadline, and cannot afford those kinds of disasters.

 

I have great components with a combined total of 12 cores, 22GB of memory, quadro 4600 cards etc. Yet with all of this, I have tons of problems.

 

I don't know what else to blame it on other than Vista. I am thinking about going back to XP 64 but am afraid of what I will have to do to change or udate all of my programs.

 

If just to make rendering faster, I would consider changing is I could simply keep all of my important programs intact ie Max, Vray, PS, etc.

 

Is there proof that XP renders faster?

 

I will definitively suggest you to change to XP 64

[HamburgerTrain]

I disagree, a year ago, I would've said stay away from Vistax64. But now it's extremely stable with all the updates and contrary to popular belief - it's actually faster to render under Vista, than XP in most cases, due to the more advanced way Vista utilities hardware. Well at least, from my personal tests, my own scenes were much faster.

 

The only thing with Vistax64 is that you need a lot of memory. At least 4 gigs, bare minimum in my opinion.

[Andrew1]

God !!! there is so much of a split decisions ,

I will be assembling a personal 64 bit machine right after new years, and at work I do run vista 64 with max and vray upto date runing 64 bits,

the system is a quad 3 GHZ cpu with 8 gigs of ram 1 gig radeon gpu,

max runs really well and renders fine , even large projects that would not work on xp 32 run great, now for my personal computer I am also wondering if I should go with Vista or XP64 does anyone actually runs both in the office and can guarantee one better over the other???\

Does XP 64 work just like vista regarding installing and running 32 bit applications?, or all the package has to be 64?

 

any help would be appreciated.

 

Cheers,

 

Andrew

[Three D]

thanks for all your advice and comments. i'm thinking now i should go for dual boot setup to keep everybody happy!!!

 

that was a joke but i might actually do it. i want the speed/reliability xp64 gives for my work but i'd like to play with the vista bells and whistles for the fun of it.

 

mind you i was only just told today by an IT professional that vista is being scrapped. that might not be the official microsoft line on it but with them so keen to get windows 7 on the market it may be closer to the truth than it seems.

 

thanks again.

[BrianKitts]

mind you i was only just told today by an IT professional that vista is being scrapped. that might not be the official microsoft line on it but with them so keen to get windows 7 on the market it may be closer to the truth than it seems.

 

I wouldn't trust your friend then. 7 is being built on Vista's architecture. They are declaring that anything that works on vista is guaranteed to work on 7. Most people are calling it an interface revision and bug patch for vista's major problems. But I haven't seen any mention of an improvement of the architecture that would equate to a speed benefit.

 

google it, you'll find days worth of reading that will just make you..... well probably wish that 3dsmax ran on OSX

 

http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=211800486&subSection=Operating+Systems

[kbotnen]

Ill chip in my 2 cents.

 

I have no problem with Vista 64 whatsoever. Max 2009 and Vray 1.5sp2, works like a charm, same with Revit. Throw 32 / 64 bit software at it, its totally transparent (the same way as in XP64).

 

I dont know about the bell and whistles, I have turned off all fancy schmancy things in the interface, and it looks more like win98 than Vista now

 

Pros for Vista might be continious updates, might be safer than XP (especially when XP support stop), Vista SP2 due to launch in April with several fixes and performance issue corrections. When Vista mature I guess driver problems and stability issues will be corrected too, not that I had problems with it. But that has been a major complain sice Vista launched, guess its already got much better though.

 

So I dont see why not using Vista if you have it around. But ofc if you already have your XP64 license unused you dont need to go buy a new Vista license.

 

I use Vista64 on my laptop, XP64 on my workstations, so I personally dont favour one over the other Just want to point out that Vista does work with max and Vray for me.

 

-K-

[Lanyuli]

Ill chip in my 2 cents.

 

I have no problem with Vista 64 whatsoever. Max 2009 and Vray 1.5sp2, works like a charm, same with Revit. Throw 32 / 64 bit software at it, its totally transparent (the same way as in XP64).

 

I dont know about the bell and whistles, I have turned off all fancy schmancy things in the interface, and it looks more like win98 than Vista now

 

I use Vista64 on my laptop, XP64 on my workstations, so I personally dont favour one over the other Just want to point out that Vista does work with max and Vray for me.

 

-K-

 

 

How do u turn it off?

Can 3dsmax 9 and vray 1.50 sp 1 be install in vista64?

When u render, which one actually faster to render using vista or xp?