innerdream Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Ad from a paper. Small Compnay looking for a talented person to complete a Walk thru animation for a custom home. If interested please send resume with samples of work and you will be contacted. Willing to pay up to 750.00 for a 30-60 sec animation. CAD Files are alrady completed. Possible renderings as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnvid Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Ho Ho Ho..... it is Christmas, and some people are very Skint, you never know his expectations may not be that high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I'd do it. I'd be billing 5 hours at $150 per hour and it would be a Sketchup animation, with minimal detail and no furniture. The render would be additional services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Oliver Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I'd do it. Sounds better than the 0 business I have currently. I mean im employed full time, but, as far as renderings. Would at least help the portfolio. If they dont mind waiting on my computer to render for a couple weeks because your not sending it out to a render farm for that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I'd do it. Sounds better than the 0 business I have currently. I mean im employed full time, but, as far as renderings. Would at least help the portfolio. If they dont mind waiting on my computer to render for a couple weeks because your not sending it out to a render farm for that price. say a couple of months with GI and reflections. It took me a couple of months to render an animation 2 years ago with one computer (now I have more horsepower). Actually this is better than what the Lebanese clients are paying, some stupid artist with cracked software here single handedly ruined the market by offering renderings for cheap, and having their rich parents cover their business losses that is if you can call their "I have a pretty secretary that flaunts her way into getting me clients but I can't model without a poor architecture student intern modeling for me for free" operation a business, they even took work for free to build their portfolio, so now every client here wants to pay $200 per rendering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I'd do it. Sounds better than the 0 business I have currently. I mean im employed full time, but, as far as renderings. Would at least help the portfolio. If they dont mind waiting on my computer to render for a couple weeks because your not sending it out to a render farm for that price. thank God you're employed and you don't have to ruin yor family life with freelancing. I think I am going to spend all the money I made in the last few years on heart surgery and medication. Youpi for employment. Having a boss that takes the stress of dealing with cheap clients from you is a blessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 it must be a sick sick sick person making this joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Oliver Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 well with the residential construction industry almost completely falling out, clients that didn't mind spending 1-2K per month on design/drafting/rendering services have just stopped calling. sometimes you have to take what you can get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 well with the residential construction industry almost completely falling out, clients that didn't mind spending 1-2K per month on design/drafting/rendering services have just stopped calling. sometimes you have to take what you can get or change careers if the icome doesn't cover the expense. I personally hope to open a croissant store, or a kenafe (local delicacy) or a bakery. Anything with yummy food. Someday...when I retire maybe. Could be sooner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerdream Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 I personally would not do it because I think the damage to the industry as a whole is not in anyones best interest long term. I know I would rather do something else for a living than sell myself out that cheap. Unfortunately they will find someone and so this now becomes the new bench mark. Being short sited imo is not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I take on interesting projects for less fee than 'non-interesting'. For example, im doing some animation work for a music video right now for $3000. The same amount of work done for a developer on some boring housing estate would cost around $10,000. However, $750 is about my day rate. No chance Ill be chasing that project! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieLeon Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 It seems like that paper you found that ad in is just as useful as eLance or any of the other media types that people with no budgets advertise in. As I have said before, I think there is still plenty of work out there. There's no need to change careers yet. We just need to market ourselves a little better and target the good clients with decent budgets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 While I can understand that many people here might have no interest in a project like this, I really think the TYPE/LEVEL of animation that they are looking for is the most important thing. If their expectations are semi-reasonable, if their CAD model is very clean, and they know that this is going to be very quick and dirty, then $700 is doable for a 30 second animation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 While I can understand that many people here might have no interest in a project like this, I really think the TYPE/LEVEL of animation that they are looking for is the most important thing. If their expectations are semi-reasonable, if their CAD model is very clean, and they know that this is going to be very quick and dirty, then $700 is doable for a 30 second animation. But can you both limit yourself in making sure you don't produce more than the contract allows, and can you respect the work you doing if you are taking a contract that forces you to do lousy, sub par work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAllusionisst Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 I personally would not do it because I think the damage to the industry as a whole is not in anyones best interest long term. I know I would rather do something else for a living than sell myself out that cheap. Unfortunately they will find someone and so this now becomes the new bench mark. Being short sited imo is not the answer. I was keeping my mouth shut, thanks for saying it for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 I personally would not do it because I think the damage to the industry as a whole is not in anyones best interest long term. I know I would rather do something else for a living than sell myself out that cheap. Unfortunately they will find someone and so this now becomes the new bench mark. Being short sited imo is not the answer. most noble, but if it goes towards feeding my family and paying my mortgage then the state of the industry isn't really important to me. this goes on whether in good times or bad, so moralistically this type of thing doesn't bother me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 But can you both limit yourself in making sure you don't produce more than the contract allows, and can you respect the work you doing if you are taking a contract that forces you to do lousy, sub par work? For $700, I'd make sure I am limiting myself. Limit myself to XX seconds per frame... and make sure they know what they would be getting for that amount of money. I look at it like a challenge. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerdream Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 most noble, but if it goes towards feeding my family and paying my mortgage then the state of the industry isn't really important to me. this goes on whether in good times or bad, so moralistically this type of thing doesn't bother me. Exactly why Unions were created. It is impossible to get everyone on the same page on this and it is a personal choice. I can make more money working at the grocery store without all the headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 It seems like that paper you found that ad in is just as useful as eLance or any of the other media types that people with no budgets advertise in. As I have said before, I think there is still plenty of work out there. There's no need to change careers yet. We just need to market ourselves a little better and target the good clients with decent budgets... Exactly what I say to my wife whenever I feel down because of the type of commissions I take in Lebanon. I say let's look for decent clients who appreciate what we do, and show that they respect us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 While I can understand that many people here might have no interest in a project like this, I really think the TYPE/LEVEL of animation that they are looking for is the most important thing. If their expectations are semi-reasonable, if their CAD model is very clean, and they know that this is going to be very quick and dirty, then $700 is doable for a 30 second animation. The kind of clients that are around these days, maybe at least the kind of clients I am dealing with, EXPECT Lucas Arts quality animation at whatever low budget they have. I alway say if you can make it in the middle east, you can make it anywhere because clients here negotiate for an hour to lower $50, but nag about every little detail as if the structural safety of the building depended on the image, and they keep changing it until it is actually built and every single unit sold. So I think when you reach for a commission, always expect their highest expectations, even $200 renderings. And usually the clients that have these low budgets, don't have cad because they don't want to waste money on a draftsman, and they supply napkin sketches or pictures from magazines. And you end up designing their project too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerdream Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 The kind of clients that are around these days, maybe at least the kind of clients I am dealing with, EXPECT Lucas Arts quality animation at whatever low budget they have. I alway say if you can make it in the middle east, you can make it anywhere because clients here negotiate for an hour to lower $50, but nag about every little detail as if the structural safety of the building depended on the image, and they keep changing it until it is actually built and every single unit sold. So I think when you reach for a commission, always expect their highest expectations, even $200 renderings. And usually the clients that have these low budgets, don't have cad because they don't want to waste money on a draftsman, and they supply napkin sketches or pictures from magazines. And you end up designing their project too. +1 I have to agree. Expectations are high in most cases which reinforces my belief that it sets a bad precedent to sell yourself cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieLeon Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 The kind of clients that are around these days, maybe at least the kind of clients I am dealing with, EXPECT Lucas Arts quality animation at whatever low budget they have. I alway say if you can make it in the middle east, you can make it anywhere because clients here negotiate for an hour to lower $50, but nag about every little detail as if the structural safety of the building depended on the image, and they keep changing it until it is actually built and every single unit sold. So I think when you reach for a commission, always expect their highest expectations, even $200 renderings. And usually the clients that have these low budgets, don't have cad because they don't want to waste money on a draftsman, and they supply napkin sketches or pictures from magazines. And you end up designing their project too. LMAO...I thought you were describing some of my US clients Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerdream Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 (edited) My favorite ex client use to give me sketches on a napkin that he did in the bathroom - I had to wear gloves. He then wanted the sketches back so when he became a "famous" Architect they could be sold...I wonder what ever happened to that idiot? Edited December 22, 2008 by innerdream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 My favorite ex client use to give me sketches on a napkin that he did in the bathroom - I had to wear gloves. He then wanted the sketches back so when he became a "famous" Architect they could be sold...I wonder what ever happened to that idiot? LOL, I hope you charged him a special "handling" fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 as Elaine said after touching the book George took into the bathroom "Biohazard coming through!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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