Eezo Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) Hey there I don’t post on here to often but have come here for help from time to time. I have recently been made redundant (end of November was my last pay cheque), my boss would never let me put any of my work on the net but now that he's laid me off I figure sod him! So here is some of my work from the last couple of years (not all of it as I couldn’t get it all), have a look and let me know what you think? On a side note I am looking for 3D Viusal work while trying to get my webdesign skills back up to scratch so I can try and get into that as that seems more stable at the moment. Ive got a bunch more as well but I think this is enough for the moment! Edited January 16, 2009 by Eezo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Sorry to hear you lost your job. Funny to see the Bridport Road Dorchester Image. I had wondering who had done that image as we are on site with that one at the moment. Small World! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat@MDI-Digital Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 in the last 5 days we have got 5 enquiries from visualizers looking for work...also all made redundant. It would seem the propery/housing market is well and truly dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charter Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 The residential side of the market is certainly taking a beating at the moment, however we have noticed an increase in new enquiries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat@MDI-Digital Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 The residential side of the market is certainly taking a beating at the moment, however we have noticed an increase in new enquiries. Yeah, I sould probably point out that all the peps asking for work have a background in working for the property sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I'm sorry to hear you lost your job, I hope you find another one that's even better. Your boss sounds like an a$$, don't know why people have to be so controlling unless it was for legal reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Denby Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Don't forget, the company own those images, not you....even if you don't work for him anymore. But feck 'em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieLeon Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Sorry to hear you lost your job. I understand you must be very upset with your former boss. But, openly admitting that you are breaking an agreement with him here is not a great idea. This might put off a new employer. However, I think it would be ok for you to show your work privately because should be entitled to find work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alias_marks Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Sorry to hear you lost your job. I understand you must be very upset with your former boss. But, openly admitting that you are breaking an agreement with him here is not a great idea. This might put off a new employer. However, I think it would be ok for you to show your work privately because should be entitled to find work. I was thinking the same thing as I was reading you're opening post. If I were an interested employer, 3d skill is very important, however even more important is how your relationships have ended with past bosses, co-workers, clients. For instance, maybe it would have been a solid idea to go to your boss and suggest that you watermark the images and give them open publicity for their designs, meanwhile you get to show your work. maybe you already tried that, i dunno. The point being, in this market an employer is looking for who can make the best out of any situation, and knows how to make opportunities. Having a negative eff you attitude would put my red flag up as an employer. Nice work though, and I wish you luck. DownTown MikeBrown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnvid Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 So did you do everything in the images, from start to finnish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 (edited) I was thinking the same thing as I was reading you're opening post. If I were an interested employer, 3d skill is very important, however even more important is how your relationships have ended with past bosses, co-workers, clients. For instance, maybe it would have been a solid idea to go to your boss and suggest that you watermark the images and give them open publicity for their designs, meanwhile you get to show your work. maybe you already tried that, i dunno. The point being, in this market an employer is looking for who can make the best out of any situation, and knows how to make opportunities. Having a negative eff you attitude would put my red flag up as an employer. Nice work though, and I wish you luck. DownTown MikeBrown I truly believe that in our profession, a LOT is taken personally. Isn't this a business like any other? Seems not. Employee-Employer relationships in the archviz industry are way too personal. I don't know what it is but it is a big mess when somebody leaves or is fired... One thing is sure, , I am going to have a tight relationship with my next employer, pizza, coffee, lunch, invite each other home for playstation tournaments, I am going to do everything I can to have as tight and personal relationship as I can, because it is better to be friends than the alternative...If it is usually personal, I will make it so personal and tight our wives would complain. Edited January 18, 2009 by ihabkal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnvid Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I wouldn't take a Job, if I couldn't use my art for publicity....I would try to be friends with the Boss (but not too hard, depends on the type of company & the boss) It would be better to work for a Boss that could actually do a good 3D render himself, that way he could understand what your saying to him...instead of just jumping on you coz it's not done yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eezo Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) To answer a few peoples opinions I would just like to say I in no way feel bad about posting these images, while I was employed I new it was company policy that these images do not get shared around and at no point did I put these on the internet or show them to anyone. The fact is now however that im unemployed and it's a very tough market out there, jobs are few and far between, anyone who says they wouldnt use these images to get a job is either a liar or a fool! Hope that doesnt offend anyone its just the way I see it. Edit: I would also like to admit however that perhaps I shouldnt have openly admited that the boss would never have let me put these images up, that was a mistake and I should have kept that one to myself. Cheers Edited January 20, 2009 by Eezo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian P Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I probably wouldn't mention that your looking for 3d stuff while trying to be a web designer, the one thing everyone in most Vis companies have in common, is that this is what they want to do for a living, no one is just killing time practising to be something else. if you feel that way fair enough but wouldn't admit it on a forum full of prospective employers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieLeon Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 ...while I was employed I new it was company policy that these images do not get shared around and at no point did I put these on the internet or show them to anyone. I am assuming that you signed a non-compete agreement. If so, you need to respect it fully like you would any other contract. If you didn't sign anything then you should just remain professional about how you look for work. Keep in mind that sometimes studios can't show projects either because they have non-disclosure agreements with their clients. You can get your previous employer in trouble also if you are not careful. One more thing, the arch viz industry is actually pretty small. A lot of people know each other. It's better to stay cool and never burn your bridges. Good luck with your job search and career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshenko Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 I am assuming that you signed a non-compete agreement. If so, you need to respect it fully like you would any other contract. If you didn't sign anything then you should just remain professional about how you look for work. Keep in mind that sometimes studios can't show projects either because they have non-disclosure agreements with their clients. You can get your previous employer in trouble also if you are not careful. One more thing, the arch viz industry is actually pretty small. A lot of people know each other. It's better to stay cool and never burn your bridges. Good luck with your job search and career. Quoted in complete agreement - probably some the best advice you will receive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan J Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Most have valid points about non-compete clauses and keeping clients confident. You do have a right to use the images you produced during your time there, but only for seeking employment with a company not in competition with the viz firm in your area. So if you are seeking work as an empoyee outside of your area or with a arch firm, graphics house or other, you do have the ability to present your work with your firm permission. If you didn't sign the non-compete, then its up to your own moral / financial standards to decide. Though your former employer should be aware of your intent. Most employers, laying folks off, understand and are willing to allow you to pursue work as long as you aren't calling their clients directly for work. Though - Architects, broadcast studios, ad agencies.... have been battling these issues out for years and this is how most firms get started. Someone gets laid off or ticked off at the firm and runs out the door with an arm full of clients. I've seen it a few times and I'm sure most have. Sorry to hear you're loss, but maybe it's back to the day job for awhile and work your dream job on nights & weekends. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweden_Robert Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Though times right now. I work with finance, not so easy either :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 What I say below is not bragging, and not from my arrogance, and I am not asking for a prize, and I don't mean anything by it other than appreciating myself, I am proud to say that even though I worked for Ed for almost three years, and I had the keys and full access to his office at any time, when I left the US 3 years ago, I didn't take any e-mail form his records or directly contact any of his clients, I didn't print any brochure with any rendering I made when I was his employee, I used some of his trees in my work with his oral permission, and because I used to work from home overtime I have a lot of the compamy's assets and renderings, but I kept them private and didn't distribute them. I think I am a model ex-employee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Well done, you are certainly a shining light in a dark dangerous world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamir Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 What I say below is not bragging, and not from my arrogance, and I am not asking for a prize, and I don't mean anything by it other than appreciating myself, I am proud to say that even though I worked for Ed for almost three years, and I had the keys and full access to his office at any time, when I left the US 3 years ago, I didn't take any e-mail form his records or directly contact any of his clients, I didn't print any brochure with any rendering I made when I was his employee, I used some of his trees in my work with his oral permission, and because I used to work from home overtime I have a lot of the compamy's assets and renderings, but I kept them private and didn't distribute them. I think I am a model ex-employee Like attracts like. That says as much about Ed as it does about you. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 You do have a right to use the images you produced during your time there, but only for seeking employment with a company not in competition with the viz firm in your area. So if you are seeking work as an empoyee outside of your area or with a arch firm, graphics house or other, you do have the ability to present your work with your firm permission. Years ago when working for another company there was a 18 month non-compete with ANY company in the field. On another the wording pretty much suggested I needed to have my memory erased of any knowledge I gained while there. My cousin is a corporate lawyer and she reviewed this first contract I mentioned. She said most employers have these in their contracts with employees, but are virtually impossible to enforce. It contradicts another law which states you are entitled to earn a living in the field you work. Given how small our industry is, I don't see how you could enforce this even on a local basis when it comes to working for another employer. In some states they are not even legal (California being one of them). I think non-disclosure agreements are far more important than non-compete in most cases. A lot of people also leave one job and start their own company. I can see how starting up this way, could invite legal problems if you are not careful, especially if you were privy and had direct contact with the customers, but there are ways around this too if you are careful. Like Eddie said, don't burn any bridges, but you are entitled to earn a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BVI Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Restrains of trade need to have two important factors; A period of time an a reasonable geographic boundary. In terms of restraint they cannot reasonably prevent you from earning a living - so with that in mind, its very difficult for the employer to enforce the restraint. However, a restraint is generally used to restrict access to the companies client list, and trade secrets that the employee would have had access too - this portion of the restraint will be easier for them to enforce; as they can then determine a direct profit loss if you would - say - do work for their existing client. In terms of using company work as portfolio pieces - Id caution against that. Bare in mind that you do not retain copyright of any work while done under the employ of that company, any contract worth its salt would state this. - I think the best way to move forward would be to chat with the boss and appeal to his human side Im sure he will understand. Good Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest percydaman Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Years ago when working for another company there was a 18 month non-compete with ANY company in the field. On another the wording pretty much suggested I needed to have my memory erased of any knowledge I gained while there. My cousin is a corporate lawyer and she reviewed this first contract I mentioned. She said most employers have these in their contracts with employees, but are virtually impossible to enforce. It contradicts another law which states you are entitled to earn a living in the field you work. Given how small our industry is, I don't see how you could enforce this even on a local basis when it comes to working for another employer. In some states they are not even legal (California being one of them). I think non-disclosure agreements are far more important than non-compete in most cases. A lot of people also leave one job and start their own company. I can see how starting up this way, could invite legal problems if you are not careful, especially if you were privy and had direct contact with the customers, but there are ways around this too if you are careful. Like Eddie said, don't burn any bridges, but you are entitled to earn a living. This. Like its said above, do everything in your power to be professional and amicable, but at the end of the day, you need to clothe and feed yourself, and you can't do that without a job. Those non compete contracts aren't worth much more then the paper they were printed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieLeon Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Those non compete contracts aren't worth much more then the paper they were printed on. Sorry. I can't agree with you on this one. The non-competes/non-disclosures are perfectly legal and binding if they are written properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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