Sergio Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Sad story... Looks like my favorit software is going to be replaced with Revit. I just been at Revit 5.1 presentation. Software is creating 3D image while you draw 2D image in Revit, software looks like Auto Cad. So very soon 3D visualization guis are going to do something else, unless they become Arch draftsmans. I dont have a words to express my filings. What was art before, now slowly becomes routine.... Any coments? Regards Sergio! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Looks like my favorit software is going to be replaced with Revit.Max and Revit are two entirely different animals. I doubt too many video game artists will start using Revit for modelling guns and vehicles and characters. What was art before, now slowly becomes routine....What was art? If you're refering to the modelling process then I've never viewed that as art anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 sergio - i suggest you read a hell of a lot more reserching first, you're completely de-railing yourself here, ur on completely the wrong tracks. MAX IS NOT BEING REPLACED BY REVIT. FULL STOP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergio Posted October 16, 2003 Author Share Posted October 16, 2003 I was not refearing to modelers outside of architecture world, of course they can not be using revit. Modeling is not the art, art will be after you model, applying materials and rendering. What I presume, Architectural companyes will rather buy Revit give to the guys doing drawing which will create 3D instantly, and compromise with materials and rendering, because they do not need to spend extra money for professional 3D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnel Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 3DS Max is not dead and will never be. Max is a general software for all kinds of visualization. Its capability is very wide and not just limited to architectural visualization. So it will never be dead but rather going to improve for every release. With the born of Revit and its built in renderer (although not up to par with viz/max at the moment) certainly affects architectural visualizer in the market as more and more firms will just do their visualization in house automatic from the output of their 3d model and construction document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbr Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 I'll just believe it when I see it. It's nice, in theory, but it still takes time. Time to learn and time to make it look good. Most architects I know have neither, so it either goes to the new grads or a specialist. The new grads know Max, FormZ, Autocad, etc., so many can do 3D anyway. Revit just streamlines the production process, but I don't think it will successfully create a good model for you without some effort. So far, none of the parametric modelers have lived up the expectations. All I hope is that the market expands quicker than it fills, otherwise we will run out of work (and I'll have to go back to being an architect!). For now, and the immediate future, I don't see how revit is a threat. It actually could be a benefit because more architecs will have models that need to be rendered well, and we all know the rendering is the artistic part that takes much time to learn (still working on that part). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergio Posted October 16, 2003 Author Share Posted October 16, 2003 Don't take me wrong, I love 3DS Max from the bottom of my heart, and my opinion is that is extremly advanced and deep program, after several years working in it I still learn... What those guys shown is how easy is to make drawing while all posible sections, perspectives, facades are updated online wich is good, but as you said all 3D's are going to be inhouse, and done by ordinary draftsman who are not necesserly good in 3D, and I know many bosses are going to settle down with that quality in order to save money, so guys like me and I beleve meny others are going to be out of business, who are doing 3D visualisations only. Good thing is (temporarly) that will take some time. Alternatively some of us must move further into 3D for TV and Film... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 The thing with these parametric modellers is they create a model with the purpose of generating construction documentation from the model, not for artistic visualistation. The result usually is an extremely bloated model with 5000 polygon fixing plates here, and 20000 polygon furring channels there, most of which is never seen, its concealed structure. Modelling for visualisation is the complete opposite, if you aren't going to see it, don't model it. Here's a good example of this problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbr Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 many bosses are going to settle down with that quality in order to save money I actually think it will be the opposite. Bosses will feel that they can get better renderings for less, because they already have the model. Which is partially true, depending on the model, as kid points out. I think we will have to expand, but it really depends on the market. More and more people are expecting 3D, and soon more and more will be expecting animations. I don't know one architect that has a clue about animations (the ones that are practicing), nor do they have the interest or time. The larger firms will always have inhouse, like Gensler (where I was an architect for a while, and learned a lot from their 3D guy), SOM, HOK, etc. But they also hire out when they need to. This field will be competitive, as any field is, and especially since so much of it is technology driven. Just stay one step ahead of the curve is all you can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munz Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Revit will compete with AEC, Max will compete with formZ, and Viz. I have never used Revit, but it has a simular procedure as AEC which is not intuitive to use. Secondly it is only a smart option for new construction. Any kind of renovation and or addition and it becomes a less viable solution. just my two cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingo Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Isn't Revit working the same way ArchiCAD is doing for over a decade, at least that was my impression when i saw the first boring Revit presentation. And i still get jobs from ArchiCAD users. So no worries mates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.R.S. Sivakumar . Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Why are you talking about Revit alone? It is the same case with ADT2004 too - with the built in VizRender. PRSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 round in circles we go. this whole post is null and void really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingo Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 I've heard rumours that Discreet/Autodesk will buy SketchUp to replace Max :gebigeek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 LOL STRAT, what do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingo Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 Hi Kid, nice bbq pic (eating a dead horse ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hess Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 I heard that all the major cg packages were going to be replaced by some sort of super new computer platform.... Commodore something or other . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingo Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 Originally posted by Greg Hess: I heard that all the major cg packages were going to be replaced by some sort of super new computer platform.... Commodore something or other . Yes i have heard about that new platform too, because its a 64Bit platform its called Commodore64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny English Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 Max is definately here to stay! I have used CAD/3D for the past 10 years, using various software, including Archicad, Vectorworks, Autocad, Autocad AEC, ADT, Viz and now Max. Archicad was pushing parametric modelling 10 years ago, the idea being the Architect worked in 3D and the computer would produce all the plans, sections and elevations for him - hey presto! NOT! And now the ADT / REVIT users are praising the same thing with the 'Single Building Model', as though it was a revelation! (the same thing Archicad was doing 10 years ago!) In my opinion it just doesn't work! - remember the guys telling you about this software are salesmen and they are trying to sell their software to you!!!! of course they're going to say it can do everything. They have a use in construction for generating simplistic models and quantities, but it is not practical to use them for visualisation. In my experience whenever I am asked to do a visualisation they want a high quality image / animation to sell the scheme to planners, investors and others, and they want it yesterday! Programmes like Max are designed to do just this. Also to produce a single building model takes a lot of time and effort and again in my experience the boss wants the 2D draftsman to do just that or he's not efficient - someone still has to do all the detailed 2D drawings (the 2D drawings from the 3D modellers are only very basic). Programmes like Revit and Max are completely different and serve different purposes. I have been a Max user for the last few months now and I am so glad I found it after all those years of using CAD to produce 3D's. Anyway that's just my opinion for what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiny Piney Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 It is crazy to see how defensive Max user get when some you challenges their program. What would have made a better post is if you ask who is more obsessed with the hardware/software Max Users or Mac Users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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