RyanSpaulding Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share Posted March 10, 2009 I didn't throw my name in the hat, but I definitely think you should have kept this under your control, if only to keep your contact happy with you. What's to say they don't call the other firm up for the next job? I hope you didn't end up shooting yourself in the foot. I didn't. I haven't done any work for them in over 1 1/2 years...nor am I too interested in arch viz anymore unless its inhouse for an architecture firm. Most of it they do in house...the rest they need to outsource if it's too much to handle. They were in no way a breadwinner for me...nor a current client. Just thought I'd clarify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Warner Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I didn't. I haven't done any work for them in over 1 1/2 years...nor am I too interested in arch viz anymore unless its inhouse for an architecture firm. Most of it they do in house...the rest they need to outsource if it's too much to handle. They were in no way a breadwinner for me...nor a current client. Just thought I'd clarify. OK, that's good then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieLeon Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Sorry Ryan, I'm with Chad on this. I think it would have been much better to discretely approach the companies that you already know would be qualified to do this project (Spine not being one of them). I bet 99% of the artists that read this thread are feeling let down because they don't meet your qualifications. I understand you must be very excited to have the opportunity to be involved with a large project and to be able to help out some fellow 3d artists. But, throwing a bone at a pack of hungry dogs (no disrespect intended) doesn't make much sense. Regards, Eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Hunt Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 woof woof:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 This thread really puts pressure on whoever gets the project. We'll all be looking at the results saying 'Oh, I could have done waaaaaay better than that!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanSpaulding Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 Sorry Ryan, I'm with Chad on this. I think it would have been much better to discretely approach the companies that you already know would be qualified to do this project (Spine not being one of them). I bet 99% of the artists that read this thread are feeling let down because they don't meet your qualifications. I understand you must be very excited to have the opportunity to be involved with a large project and to be able to help out some fellow 3d artists. But, throwing a bone at a pack of hungry dogs (no disrespect intended) doesn't make much sense. Regards, Eddie I have no qualifications that need to be met. I'm not up on what other firms that can do this type of project...I've been out of arch viz for nearly a year now...and I know various rendering companies have folded in the past year...not sure who is still around, where they're at, ect. The point of the thread was to guage interest in this, provide somewhere where the client could go to see capable companies (this thread), and wish everyone the best of luck trying to get the job. I didn't promise the job to anyone, nor do I have a close relationship with anyone on the board to refer, so I figured I'd give everyone a chance to give their contact info that might not otherwise even have a chance at the project. If your team didn't get chosen, it's not on me. I tried to bring in business for someone's firm. I feel it was a good and selfless deed. On a side note, I wasn't excited to be involved in the project. I was going to hand it over with no finders fee, no project management, ect. That would just get in the way. I wasn't in it for my personal gain, only others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieLeon Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I have no qualifications that need to be met. Are you sure about that? If that's the case then I would have thrown my hat in the ring a long time ago. I'm just as hungry as the other dogs I'm looking for a firm that has produced high-quality, large scale projects under tight deadlines that I could refer them to. I'll pass a few names on to them and they can choose from there. While this could technically be done overseas, I will only refer them to American companies who do not outsource work outside of the US. I know how we're hurting over here in arch viz...so here may be a glimmer of hope for some of you to get a multi-thousand dollar project out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanSpaulding Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 Ah, I see. We've had this discussion before in the outsourcing thread that got rather volatile...and I do not wish to go down this path again. I suspect if no one has gotten the job, I have a feeling they weren't even comfortable outsourcing outside of the Madison-area, let alone the US. I reject the actions of doing anything and everything for the almighty buck regardless of the consequences in the grand scheme of things here in the states. You may call it free-market and staying competitive during globalization...I call it robbing the US of work that could easily be done here. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one Eddie. There are many who agree with me and many who agree with you. I wish you luck in your endeavors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieLeon Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I didn't give my opinion about outsourcing and I wouldn't bother getting into a discussion with you about it. I just said that you shouldn't dangle a carrot in front of everyone and then pull it back by saying only certain large companies that don't outsource should apply. Please be considerate of the true audience on CGA. Most of the artists here are not in the US and don't work for large 3d companies. Also, CGA is a Canadian website so if you feel so strongly about saving the US from crooks like me then I think you picked the wrong forum. I wish you luck also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Schatz ASAI Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I saw this yesterday, a big job is a movie to me, what is big to you? Image Grille has done jobs that range from $32,000.00 to $450.00 and built as big 12 blocks a mile and half long and as small a valve. If you need some help give me a call, I am in Elgin, IL (2hrs+ from Madison between you and Chicago off 90) I can do anything a client asks me to do, so can you. Contact info is on my web site imagegrille.com Maybe we can make this a midwest job WI,IL,IN etc..... My turnarounds are fast. This a world market, we can help them to, just after we pay our own mortgages please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Erstad Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Ryan, I just tried to PM you via CGA and your limit is full up, you gotta clean out yer inbox dude. Regarding some Madison stuff going on you should hear about... Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I didn't give my opinion about outsourcing and I wouldn't bother getting into a discussion with you about it. I just said that you shouldn't dangle a carrot in front of everyone and then pull it back by saying only certain large companies that don't outsource should apply. Please be considerate of the true audience on CGA. Most of the artists here are not in the US and don't work for large 3d companies. Also, CGA is a Canadian website so if you feel so strongly about saving the US from crooks like me then I think you picked the wrong forum. I wish you luck also. I agree with you Eddie. I do criticise sweatshops on this site all the time, but I want all people to have an equal chance of getting a job depending on their abilities and the needs and wishes of the client regardless of race, origins, color...etc. Being born in a certain location doesn't make anyone better. I did feel a sour taste in my mouth when I read the original post because it seperated us foreigners from the rest of the site members. So Eddie you are Canadian? Please open an office in Canada and hire me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanSpaulding Posted March 11, 2009 Author Share Posted March 11, 2009 I agree with you Eddie. I do criticise sweatshops on this site all the time, but I want all people to have an equal chance of getting a job depending on their abilities and the needs and wishes of the client regardless of race, origins, color...etc. Being born in a certain location doesn't make anyone better. I did feel a sour taste in my mouth when I read the original post because it seperated us foreigners from the rest of the site members. So Eddie you are Canadian? Please open an office in Canada and hire me #1. Had nothing to do with race, color, or origin. #2. I dont think we're better. At all. #3. An influx of canadian renderers is obviously not the issue. #4. Standards of living vary. Ours is more expensive than most places. This squeezes out american-based renderers who cannot concievably live on $300-400 a render. It's not possible to. We cant do some gin-sun like business model where we have 50 renderers that we pay $50 a week for. We have labor laws and expensive goods. In effect, actually, Americans are at a disadvantage when competing for rendering jobs. Overseas renderers picking up so many projects within our borders has squeezed out what renderers we do have here...if they haven't gone in-house already. Even that is disappearing. We're seeing the death of the american based renderer and a boom in Indian, Middle East and Chinese renderers. I understand your position if you are native or located in these countries. You also have to understand ours. I don't feel there is anything wrong in wanting to support people and the economy in the country you live in...especially during economic downturn. If you want to come to the US, set up shop here, pay taxes here, ensure that the software is purchased and legit...I'd have no issue recommending you. None. And if we dont get more money incoming to the US economy soon, you'll have nothing to render anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I didn't mean that you said #1 or #2, I was just expressing my feelings. I lived in the US for 5 years and paid all sorts of taxes, I know how hard it is...I still prefer US life than my current life in Lebanon, no doubt about it. I miss my US house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieLeon Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 So Eddie you are Canadian? Please open an office in Canada and hire me Lol...I'm Cuban American. I did consider opening an office in Toronto at one point So you need an H1B? It's gonna be tough. Have you considered getting a Master's Degree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Lol...I'm Cuban American. I did consider opening an office in Toronto at one point So you need an H1B? It's gonna be tough. Have you considered getting a Master's Degree? Toronto is awesome, I was there 18 moths ago. I considered getting a Master's degree after I got back to Lebanon in 2005but my wife opposed it saying I don't have the time, she was right back then we were all much busier. Maybe I should think about it again. H1b is very tough to get now despite the recession: there are 1 million applicants in line for around 64 thousand visas, and now it is being given randomly for that reason. Plus our line of work is hit hard by the recession. It was much easier to get nder Clinton when I first got it. Canadian equivalent work visa has no limit for how many can obtain it per year, but still the recession makes it hard to get. Thanks for your quick replies and your concern for my/everyone's well being... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Forreal Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 #4. Standards of living vary. Ours is more expensive than most places. This squeezes out american-based renderers who cannot concievably live on $300-400 a render. It's not possible to. We cant do some gin-sun like business model where we have 50 renderers that we pay $50 a week for. We have labor laws and expensive goods. In effect, actually, Americans are at a disadvantage when competing for rendering jobs. Overseas renderers picking up so many projects within our borders has squeezed out what renderers we do have here...if they haven't gone in-house already. Even that is disappearing. We're seeing the death of the american based renderer and a boom in Indian, Middle East and Chinese renderers. I understand your position if you are native or located in these countries. You also have to understand ours. I don't feel there is anything wrong in wanting to support people and the economy in the country you live in...especially during economic downturn. If you want to come to the US, set up shop here, pay taxes here, ensure that the software is purchased and legit...I'd have no issue recommending you. None. And if we dont get more money incoming to the US economy soon, you'll have nothing to render anyways... oh please, not this whining again. you've been pushing globalisation for years - now deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC_ChiDal Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Ryan, Are you still looking for companies that can complete this task? We have the capability, please let me know. We consistently create ultra-large master plans and transportation corridors. You can email directly at jchristiansen@halff.com Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanSpaulding Posted March 19, 2009 Author Share Posted March 19, 2009 Nope. As I wrote before, I'm out of the loop now. And if they haven't contacted anyone yet, they wont be. Can someone delete this thread? Or lock it at least? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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