beowulf Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 at school, i use both autocad arch. desktop (for plans, sections, and elevations) and 3ds max (for all my 3d work). my question is: is there any advantage to using cad to make a 3d model over max, should i bother learning cad's 3d attributes at all? it seems like a pain, and other students' cad renderings dont look so great when compaired to max's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Ryan Rubio Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 im sure there was a thread somewere here about this.. you can search for that because it has pretty much covered this topic. basically, users use autocad becaude of its precision. (although max has snaps also, its not as easy to use as autocad's imho). max though has greater flexibility, moe modelling options and, yes, far better renderings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 instead of starting another disscusion, do a search, this topic has been extensivly discussed here numerous times before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 3D AutoCAD is for people who are yet to see the light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vizwhiz Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 3D AutoCAD is for people who are yet to see the light are you kidding? who are you kidding? yourself? your message violates several of This Boards Rules and sense of Professional ettiquette IMPORTANT NOTES Read these rules Failure to abide by the rules, guidelines, or forum management directives may result in the removal of your account without notice. RULES Forum Moderators Enforcement of these rules is the responsibility of the forum moderators. Please follow their instructions at all times. If you feel a message violates the guidelines, please forward the message to Jeff Mottle jmottle@cgarchitect.com or any one of the forum moderators. Message Guidelines The CGarchitect Discussion Forums are intended to be a professional, constructive, informative and helpful resource for CGarchitect visitors and industry partners. Messages that are inflammatory, non-constructive, or at odds with the goals of the discussion forum will be removed at CGarchitect's sole discretion. CGarchitect reserves the right to republish any content from the discussion forums. NOTE - We will not publish your email address without your prior written consent. Messages containing offensive language or references will be edited or removed. Messages that advocate software piracy will be removed and forwarded to the appropriate authorities. Discussions of software which disables or circumvents licensing of any product is prohibited. Any such messages will be removed. Posts containing any talk of WAREZ, pirated software, pirated authcodes etc. will be deleted and the user banned from the CGarchitect forums. Messages containing personal attacks against other forum members will be removed. Flame out, dude, grow up Thanks Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Alexander Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 3D AutoCAD is for people who are yet to see the light Kid, Your correct in a purely illustration sense. But 3D Autocads workflow throught the design process from the Architectural viewpiont is very good. You can model a cabinet, for example, very effiently and accuratly in autocad. Shaped profiles, panels and so on. Import into viz max and create whatever kind of illustration for a client, explore material options, finishes, but really communicate the design. Then go back to autocad and prepare drawings from the model, that are real world, accurate. If the cabinet makers chiesel is not to sharp -pun- you could actually give them the pieces ie cutlists with diagrams. Also create material schedules right down to the last nail, import that information into a data base and use it for pricing the work. Yes kid I've seen the light, for illustration but I think the shadow it casts has a different HSV than the one you see casts, respectfully. should i bother learning cad's 3d attributes at all? Beowolf, Yes, it's a powerful tool. Seems like ADT will in the near future have viz/max to some degree fully incorporated in it. Attributes like revolve, extrude, 3dface, slice are so much easier in cad. Up the Isolines setting for export to vizmax. Not to mention the union, subtract and intersect functions are almost flawless in cad and in max "if you got the time and cpu resources and patience" for complex shapes. The key is of course is learing how to link & work with them on the max platform, which is not too difficult. Good Luck on your studies, never blow off an oppurtunity to learn. You never know when it will help you in the future even though it seems like BS now. regrds WDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard McCarthy Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 I think learning autoCAD is essential as most of the company still use autoCAD, and I don't see it been phase out anytime soon. 3DS MAX on the other hand, is for CG, presentation material. You can't do your CD/SD/AD on those, it simply is not the tool to use. There are other apps that bridges between those 2 kinda vastly different apps, apps like ArchiCAD and Revit, which let you design in 3D while making your elevation and sections automatically at the same time. The future ofcourse is these apps, unless you can afford those apps when you graduated, but for now, autoCAD skill is still essential. -RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph alexander Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 It seams odd that no one mentions the design value of 3d studio. Some of the most interesting projects I've seen viz/revit used for are situations where the architect chooses to consider variations. Some one that knows viz/revit can bang out 3d design options much faster then autocad and still have accurate models. Recently, I was impressed with a former professor?s office who upgraded to revit and used it to visualize a wide array of facade/roof variations for a housing development in Massachusetts (usa). -joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 THere no REAL comparison. AutoCAD is a Computer Aided Design Tool - used to make precision drawings. MAX is a visualization tool. Just cuz they both involve 3D and both can be fairly closely linked, does not mean that one is "better" than another - they do different jobs, but can complement each other quite well. In my mind, its not that much different than asking "is Excel better than MS Word?". How would you answer that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 why do i waste my breath? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3d-doctor Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 to drop my hat in.................. i use a knife+fork for a steak a spoon for soup and sometimes i use chopsticks on a chinese meal and when eating indian meals at home it's hand and nann bread they all have uses in the process of eating a meal so use whatever tools you need to do the work you need learn and practice with cad and visual tools think and treat them as one think of them as a means of communication and find the strenghts and weakness of them through experimentation only through pushing yourself and your choice(s) of software will you be able to develop a style of your own which becomes even more important if you design the project you are visualising it's a long road and it has no end and all this talk of food means i need a snack break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCAD Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 I think you should still stick to AutoCAD and make sure you never use the term "3D Attribute" in a professional forum such as CGA's....the one you are refering to is the 3D commands... good luck with it MrCAD http://www.mr-cad.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd radcliffe Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Dear There is one very important reason to learn max's modeling tools and this reason comes into play when trying to produce animations: In AutoCAD modeling is straight forward enough, we all draw lines and shapes, use extrusions and boolean opperations. Its the latter wich causes the problems. AutoCAD is not very good at keeping the tesselation on a mesh tight after a boolean command. The result is flicking faces during an animation as the renderer tries to interperate what it is that auto cad has done. Also, during the import of a 3d model from AutoCAD it is dificult to control smoothing groups ( essential for reducing the amount of polys in a scene ) and also weld points on vertices. The dialogue box prompts you to give it parameters to put limits on the way it converts from a solid model to a mesh. I have found that when modeling in max you have control of such items as you build, plus with the modifiers you can tweek and pull vertices, edges etc until you are happy. The result, a nice clean flicker free model wich will be lighter than any AutoCAD model. Any questions are welcome and i will try to answer them as soon as i get a chance Regards Edward Bruce-Radcliffe Digital Artist 4site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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