P.R.S. Sivakumar . Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Hello everybody! I am an architect of 28 years standing and my cousins's daughter is studying architecture. It is to help her in deciding that I posted this in this forum. She wants to take up modelling in AutoCAD very seriously and wants to learn in-depth. Is this advisable in to-day's situation when most of the top firms in the world have gone with BIM for Architectural Designing and construction documentation and many seem to be using SketchUP for conceptual designs and 3ds Max or equivalent for visualisations. In my office we do most of the modelling in AutoCAD. Other detailed drawings are also done manually in AutoCAD. Also we still use AutoCAD 2006 beacause we find the rendering process in the later versions too cumbersome and there aren't enough tutorials either in the help nor in the web to study it in-depth. And BIM is quite rare in my country. There are many who use Max for visualisation. A few use SketchUP. (Myself among them!). But for a budding architect here who has not yet decided to settle down in India this is a difficult situation. I think spending too much of time learning AutoCAD modelling in-depth is a waste of time in today's trend. Instead learn the basic 3d Modelling in AutoCAD and learn SketchUP and Max in-depth - for both modelling and rendering. (There aren't many competent people here in India to teach Revit or any BIM in-dpeth - so it is ruled out). Am I suggesting her in the right direction? I know it is a difficult question. Still I would like to know your opinion. Thanks in advance With best regards PRSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kippu Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 i would suggest going the BIM way ...it will catch up here sooner and if someone is starting out then thats the way to go , in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.R.S. Sivakumar . Posted May 2, 2009 Author Share Posted May 2, 2009 Thanks kippu - I also thought so. But I do not know any instituition/centre that teaches BIM the correct way here in India. In a few places Revit and Archicad are being taught as 3d Visualisation software with parametric capabilities. They don't even tell the students that these are BIM software. Also they do not know how to make a custom object to be recognized by the BIM software. Glad to learn that BIM is going to catch on here too. With best regards PRSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 i agree that BIM / REVIT is the future of the architectural profession in general, but i see nothing wrong with learning/using autocad for 2D and 3D design. i still design, draft and model (for the most part) in autocad. there are plenty of threads/discussions on this subject, but the bottom line is use what you are most comfortable/accessible with. p.s - one thing about your issue with autocad rendering. i would say that autocad has come a long way since 2006 in improving the rendering capabilities. however, i agree that the documentation and use of these features can be confusing. my advice is that if you must use autocad for rendering (not my choice), then you really should try and work through the newer features (much more like MAX/mental ray) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kippu Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 sir , i dont think they will be teaching it in institutions ... but i am sure with internet , books and tutorials , the person can pick it up sitting at home itself , just as most of us have picked up doing 3d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawla Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 sir , i dont think they will be teaching it in institutions ... but i am sure with internet , books and tutorials , the person can pick it up sitting at home itself , just as most of us have picked up doing 3d If she is an Architect then BIM is the way forward. If she is not then 3dsMax. As an architect BIM will help her in the future. 3dsmax will not (At least no where near BIM). Regards Anuj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.R.S. Sivakumar . Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 Thanks a lot for the replies. She is an architect. Then BIM is the way - I also agree. Let her also learn Autocad 3D for basic modelling. With best regards PRSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordo3di Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I just graduated in Arch. They didnt teach any bim and hardly pushed Acad (design based school). So in the real world I have to get more skills to become marketable... I decided to teach myself Revit and its quite simple. As stated above with the amount of knowledge on the internet and through books you can become pretty advanced in a very short period of time. Don't waste the money taking classes. And as for Acad I think it complements revit well. You can't do everything in BIM (to me details and shop drawings will be around in their same fashion for a while) so finding a way to transfer info between the two would be the way to go. And I love 3ds max for concept or rendering but its hard to do anything with it architecturally. Everyone seems to be heading towards rhino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.R.S. Sivakumar . Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 Thank you gordo3di. There are lots of info on the internet for Revit. With best regards PRSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYMOND Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 yes I agee how one should think of BIM not merely as a modeling software, BIMs main claim to fame is its linked data. I have used both Revit and AA for about the same time both in my opinion are on equal basis. altho Revit is more popular but this because of heavy advertising not on merit. also the rendering features embedded in BIM are greatly improved but still they fall short of programs like 3dstudio etc. I would be carefull with the statement that Revit is the future.... actually BIM is concept of the future Revit is just one of channels of that. Revit is not the lead horse. ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cad64 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I posted a poll on another site a while back, asking for everyone to vote on whether they used Autocad for 3D work or if they used another program. The results were split right down the middle. 50% of those that voted either didn't do 3D work at all, or they used another program. About 30% used Autocad for modeling, but then transferred their models to another program like Inventor or Revit or Max. So only about 20% used Autocad exclusively as their 3D modeling package. This brings me back to an old argument of mine. Why won't Autodesk get rid of Autocad LT and offer a full 2D program, including Express Tools and Lisp and everything else that LT is missing, and then offer a 3D module as a plug-in, or a separate program, for those that want it? It seems to me that most people either don't use the 3D part of the program, or only use it minimally and then transfer their models to another program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.R.S. Sivakumar . Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 I totally agree With best regards PRSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockley91 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Autocad LT is just a waste of space. Totally worthless. Now if you started learning through LT, then it's great, but if you go backwards from Autocad to Autocad LT it's frustrating and such a pain to work with. I use Autocad and 3DS Max for modeling. Especially lofted objects like arches and wood when you need the texture map to bend with the object. That's one sure dead give away of a novice modeler or renderer. Autocad has one of the worst texture mapping applications as well. Or it did a while ago. 3DS max is great for rendering and mapping and all the tricks to get a good rendering as long as you have some plugins as well. REVIT will be the #1 application that we will all be dealing with. Autodesk has acquired so many software companies in the last number of years that they are going to ram all this stuff down our throats whether we like it or not. They are turning into Microsoft. Just google Autodesk Acquisitions and you will see all this software that they are buying. They are aiming for an all exclusive and inclusive 3D/2D BIM all in one package. At least that's just what I think they are aiming on doing. Either way they have monopolized the industry. So, they own Revit and that's what they are pushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYMOND Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 REVIT will be the #1 application that we will all be dealing with. Autodesk has acquired so many software companies in the last number of years that they are going to ram all this stuff down our throats whether we like it or not. They are turning into Microsoft. Just google Autodesk Acquisitions and you will see all this software that they are buying. They are aiming for an all exclusive and inclusive 3D/2D BIM all in one package. At least that's just what I think they are aiming on doing. Either way they have monopolized the industry. So, they own Revit and that's what they are pushing. nope.... I have used both Revit and AA for about an equal amount of time... i would consider them both about the same... some features are good in one and weak in another... Revit is certainly more advertised but also it is way over rated.... personally between the two i would rather use AA... remember too that BIMs strenght is linked data more than modeling... actually there are a lot of programs a lot better at modeling than Revit... just remember BIM isn't a monothesisic religion its just a tool still lacking a lot of maturity... I know, when you get older you get very cranky.. ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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