Joseph Petrino Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Architecture and interior design firm seeking an intern that is a pro at Autodesk 3ds Max. Must have portfolio and be extremely well-versed in the program. * This is an internship job * Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact this job poster. * Please, no phone calls about this job! * Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I know this happens all the time, but something about this ad really annoys me. I'd rather wait on tables then give my skills away, but I'm sure someone will apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 In architecture, "intern" is usually a paid position and many firms use it to describe anybody who wants, but does not have, a license. It's also got an official status as such - the "intern development program" lasts at least 3.5 years after receiving a professional degree. (Somebody with a master's and 4 years experience who hasn't passed the exams might still have the title "intern".) I'd use terms like "junior architect", "visualization artist", etc., but I'd be describing the same job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 that is nothing. yesterday I found a post in Canada on Craigslist that asks for someone to work for 3 months free with the possibility of employemnt aftger that, I was looking for it but I found this recently posted ad: Looking for Ryerson Intern Summer Student (Dufferin/Steeles) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply to: alexandra@minicardscanada.com [Errors when replying to ads?] Date: 2009-05-17, 1:20PM EDT Our team seeks a student to join our marketing & communications group. The person will be responsible for delivering programs to support the branding and promotion of our services. There is a strong element of project management to the role. The incumbent will help carry the responsibility of implementing a communications plan to engage clients and markets. Responsibilities: - Lead and/or participate in the development, planning and implementation of corporate marketing and communications programs - Project manage and produce creative design services for the business regions and practice areas - Manage the delivery of internal/ external communication campaigns - Write/edit communications, ensuring core messages are aligned with our vision and brand - Exceptional written communication skills and the ability to be a self starter. - An understanding of branding basic & critical application of marketing principles - Demonstrated experience leading or producing creative designs - Proficient in Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign and Microsoft Office - A team player amongst energetic, successful people - Efficient and reliable. - Strategic thinking, including the ability to quickly identify and understand issues and opportunities Key Abilities: - mature sense of visuals/colour usage - able to liaise professionally with clients in the development of marketing communications - ability to take projects from concept to final production with minimal supervision - detail-oriented, motivated, industrious and organized - comfortable working independently in a fast-paced, deadline-driven environment Location: Dufferin/Steeles Compensation: TBD This is an internship job Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact this job poster. Please, no phone calls about this job! Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests. PostingID: 1175297123 so basicaly they need an itern to do everything int he company. Some sad guy contacted them and he posted this reply in Craigslist: Reply to: job-gcfaz-1176963531@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?] Date: 2009-05-18, 1:47PM EDT Yes, that's RIGHT Ryerson student... We'll PAY you a measly $11/hr IF YOU ARE LUCKY for your time, trouble, and expertise! PS We'll ALSO work you like a dog, cuz you're STILL A UNIVERSITY STUDENT and it'll be good for you to put this BS on your resume, desperate summer student who's ATTENDING an expensive university this fall... Yes, please come to us suckers, uh-oh WE MEANT UNIVERSITY (SUCKER) STUDENTS!!! Compensation: We'll WORK You Like A Friggin Dog, Just $1/day W/ Some Chips & Pop To Keep You Happy... Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact this job poster. Please, no phone calls about this job! Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests. PostingID: 1176963531 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerdream Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 I've run into a bunch of "renderings wanted" type ads where it was just some yahoo phishing to see what other renderers are charging. That just chaps my hide especially in this economy where people get their hopes up to find out it's just some ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) ....pro at Autodesk 3ds Max I think I heard on TWIT that it is estimated that you need something like 10,000 hours to really be considered a pro. Meaning using it full time for four to five years. edit: To be considered a professional at something, you only need to make more than half of your income doing it. This is different than being a pro, which implies you know the software inside and out. Or is it 3/4 of your income? Edited May 18, 2009 by Crazy Homeless Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Petrino Posted May 18, 2009 Author Share Posted May 18, 2009 Ajlynn In my part of the world an "intern" is an unpaid slave. Usually a kid who wants to get his feet wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikinman Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Animation and Images, a full service visualization firm here in New York City, is currently looking for intern clients. In exchange for paying us our standard fees, we will possibly do a rendering for you after a period of three months. Responsibilities include familiarity with contracts and copyright issues, and knowledge of what can and cannot be accomplished in a reasonable time frame. Experience in knowing how to manage your own damn design process is desired, though not expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Warner Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Animation and Images, a full service visualization firm here in New York City, is currently looking for intern clients. In exchange for paying us our standard fees, This is where you've got the "intern" part messed up. The clients are only expected to pay you a small portion of your standard fees, or if you're lucky, you can work for free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Joseph- At my firm in NYC we paid our interns (summer interns - nobody full time had that title) $18 hourly. I had friends whose firms paid their interns $20+ hourly. And they were eligible for overtime pay. The junior architects (who would have the title "intern" at some firms) made, I'm estimating, 45-60k depending on experience and background. I've been offered full time intern positions at above $40k and had one of them for a year out of school. Sorry guys but you're misreading the term "intern" here. I've been an intern and had interns working for me. I will repeat: in an architecture firm, the term "intern" does NOT carry the implication that the position is unpaid. This thread is entirely pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Buchhofer Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Experience in knowing how to manage your own damn design process is desired, though not expected. Not totally pointless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eo Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) Like many mentioned already.... In Architecture (USA) internships are payed, and it's a normal job title.... Even if you're not enrolled on the IDP (internship Development Program) ...I'd use terms like "junior architect", "visualization artist", etc., but I'd be describing the same job. Fun Fact: Using a job title like "junior architect" or even "architectural intern" it's illegal, because using the word architect/architectural would be devising!!!!:eek: ( ... even if you have a bachelors or masters in architecture) Instead you can be called: Intern, CAD operator (WTF??), CAD monkey, or if you're lucky..... "Designer" Edited May 19, 2009 by 1eo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Like many mentioned already.... In Architecture (USA) internships are payed, and it's a normal job title.... Even if you're not enrolled on the IDP (internship Development Program) Fun Fact: Using a job title like "junior architect" or even "architectural intern" it's illegal, because using the word architect/architectural would be devising!!!!:eek: ( ... even if you have a bachelors or masters in architecture ) Instead you can be called: Intern, CAD operator (WTF??), CAD monkey, or if you're lucky..... "Designer" more to the point, I called myself an architect while introducing myself to the president of the Toledo AIA chapter, he told me on the spot that I am an Associate and not Architect. He then sent me a letter to remind me. A few years after once I was in Lebanon and e-mailed him and wrote architect before my name he repeated that I can't do that. I then told him that since I am in Lebanon, Lebanese law applies and I am a registered architect here. one of the few good thigns about being in Lebanon for me. got me back my title. Now off to go do some cad monkeying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I think I heard on TWIT that it is estimated that you need something like 10,000 hours to really be considered a pro. Meaning using it full time for four to five years. edit: To be considered a professional at something, you only need to make more than half of your income doing it. This is different than being a pro, which implies you know the software inside and out. Or is it 3/4 of your income? that was actually on Discovery channel where I heard that it takes 10,000 hours of practicing something to become a pro. it is very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Intern, CAD operator (WTF??), CAD monkey, or if you're lucky..... "Designer" Yup. 5 years as a freelance artist, Bachelor's Degree, Master's Degree, over 10,000 hours office experience, IDP done. And I'm still not an architect. My own damn fault I'm not done the exams I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 more to the point, I called myself an architect while introducing myself to the president of the Toledo AIA chapter, he told me on the spot that I am an Associate and not Architect. He then sent me a letter to remind me. That's funny. I've worked for two firms where Associate is one of the higher positions, below Principal, and Associates have ownership. I also has Architect or Architectural in my job title for a couple of years without actually being licensed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Petrino Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 Ajlynn I didn't want to start an argument, but I guess you do. So your right. I should not have mentioned this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 The way I understand it, Associate in this case refers not to job title but to AIA status. The AIA's technical term for an unlicensed registered member is Associate AIA. That term you CAN use. So it would be Andrew Lynn Associate AIA. When you are licensed its obviously Andrew Lynn AIA. By the way our office gets even more confusing - Associates, Senior Associates, Associate Principals and Principals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Ajlynn I didn't want to start an argument, but I guess you do. So your right. I should not have mentioned this. I'm not trying to argue, I'm trying to correct your error. Honestly I don't know why everybody's freaking out about the fact that somebody with a few years experience can hold the title Intern. It's not great for the ol' pride when talking with one's lawyer friends, but it's just a quirk of the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 Titles are not impotant, I used to be a Senior Visualization Artist and I hated my job, now I am the General manager of my own freelancing fantasy, I am still not happy. What is important is going out on the weekend, taking the kids to the park or to the beach, riding your bike along some nice scenery. And this thread isnot pointless, we are chatting and having fun aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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