SteveBell Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Simple, no invoice, no payment. I dont even know how much you are asking for a job that was incomplete and overdue. Keep this in the forum if you want to look like an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Simple, no invoice, no payment. I dont even know how much you are asking for a job that was incomplete and overdue. Keep this in the forum if you want to look like an idiot. No it's this way - you didn't gave me PO, you cannot get Invoice. Simple. Which you avoided to do from the start. And you've asked for my price without seeing the job materials, which was keeping piling up - new one and changed one - for next 2 months. Job wasn't incomplete, and was overdue because of your client, not my incopetency - you know that, don't play like a little child. I'll keep this in the forum as long as I want. I don't lose anything, 'cause I've already lost = 2 months of work and because of that, I've lost few clients because I've had obligations to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveBell Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 No it's this way - you didn't gave me PO, you cannot get Invoice. Simple. Which you avoided to do from the start. And you've asked for my price without seeing the job materials, which was keeping piling up - new one and changed one - for next 2 months. Job wasn't incomplete, and was overdue because of your client, not my incopetency - you know that, don't play like a little child. I'll keep this in the forum as long as I want. I don't lose anything, 'cause I've already lost = 2 months of work and because of that, I've lost few clients because I've had obligations to you. Then I guess you are never going to get paid. Goodbye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Then I guess you are never going to get paid. Goodbye Low play, huh? It's damn sure I want to get paid, but that depends of you, not me. Send me PO and you'll get it back signed, as always. For the amount ask Bianca, she knows well how much is it, I've told her million times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil poppleton Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Certainly brightened up my day. Thanks guys. But seriously, I hope you come to some comprimise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Then I guess you are never going to get paid. Goodbye And, with this "goodbye" you just confirm that you've never had intention to pay me, as well as one way conversation that we've had last 8 months. That's not the way a serious grow man should talk. Your nonserious name will show up on other forums as well, there's hundreds of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasteland giant Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 oh, this exchange btw bell and dunat.... wow. Dunat sounds like he got ripped off and is pissed off. I would be too from the sounds of it. also why is steve posting from a 6 post steve bell account while he has the other archiform 3D account? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Sanchez Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Hey Dobrica take this as a lesson to not release final images until you receive payment... never trust ANYONE!!! I've learned my lesson before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil poppleton Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 oh, this exchange btw bell and dunat.... wow. Dunat sounds like he got ripped off and is pissed off. I would be too from the sounds of it. also why is steve posting from a 6 post steve bell account while he has the other archiform 3D account? I noticed he quickly changed names......! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Hey Dobrica take this as a lesson to not release final images until you receive payment... never trust ANYONE!!! I've learned my lesson before! well, the thing is - I've delivered whole modeling stuff, renderings was his job. I'll soon post here the preview of the whole damn modeling job - it's real huge. As for the payment - his alibi is that he must wait for the client to pay first, no payment before. Must admit, 5 years working with him it was all correct. But now, suddenly, it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 He guys, I hope you'll be able to find a way to resolve this issue, but the forums are really not the place for this. Steve has contacted me directly, so I trust he will continue this dialog with you offline and you guys will be able to come to some sort of an agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveBell Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 oh, this exchange btw bell and dunat.... wow. Dunat sounds like he got ripped off and is pissed off. I would be too from the sounds of it. also why is steve posting from a 6 post steve bell account while he has the other archiform 3D account? I have another account? It just logged in as this. An regarding ripped off..... 5 years no problems and now I get uptight, so I think I have shown I can and do pay. And... like I said... an invoice would go a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Geers Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Personally, I'd just assume this turn into it's own thread rather than off-forums. I've learned more from this thread than 1/2 the tutorials I've seen. I don't do lots of freelance but this thread is a good reminder to myself to be very very careful when I do. -Brodie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveBell Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Personally, I'd just assume this turn into it's own thread rather than off-forums. I've learned more from this thread than 1/2 the tutorials I've seen. I don't do lots of freelance but this thread is a good reminder to myself to be very very careful when I do. -Brodie I couldn't agree more. To be honest I used to be very slack with my accounts and when the GFC hit I lost more more money than I am prepared to admit - it was shocking and wiped out all my working capital in a matter of a few months. Nowadays people are still hurting big time and there are many dreamers out there that want you to start work and have no idea how they are going to pay you. I thought I was good on a job because he paid with a credit card, but 3 months later, after he said how happy he was, and with no explanation I get a chargeback not just on the final but for the lot. Surprise, surprise, not even credit cards are safe. Turns out the guy's contract that he was working on didn't come through so he obviously could pay his credit card bill and needed a way out. What a loser and a nasty lesson for me. But the big lesson here is paperwork and communication. DD should have communicated more with us on this job, it took months and I lost so much money - having to just rebuild a lot myself because we couldn't get in touch with him and couldn't wait any longer as we already looked like turkeys to the client and we had not even produced a proof image. I should really have been communicating more with DD to express how pissed I was but I was too busy putting out fires - maybe he would have responded quicker if he knew just how annoyed I was. And.... to this date I still dont have a bill from him but he is screaming for money, so just a little bit of paperwork so we have something to talk about would be sooo helpful. Freelancing and dealing with freelancers can be like walking a minefield on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 But the big lesson here is paperwork and communication. DD should have communicated more with us on this job, it took months and I lost so much money - having to just rebuild a lot myself because we couldn't get in touch with him and couldn't wait any longer as we already looked like turkeys to the client and we had not even produced a proof image. I should really have been communicating more with DD to express how pissed I was but I was too busy putting out fires - maybe he would have responded quicker if he knew just how annoyed I was. And.... to this date I still dont have a bill from him but he is screaming for money, so just a little bit of paperwork so we have something to talk about would be sooo helpful. Freelancing and dealing with freelancers can be like walking a minefield on both sides. Eh, Steve, bad communication from me? Now, you want me to put all communication here I've had with BB? It will took so much space, that Jeff should have to migrate cgarcitect.com to a much larger server than he is on now. Also, it's not true you've had to correct my errors. You had to correct client's changing, that have nothing with me. I did exactly what they want at the moment you get the models from me. Period. Anything after that is your matter. As for the bill - you really want to clear your face in public? Don't. I've aksing PO from you from the very beginnig, at least 6 times. But I've never get it. Keep the track of the messages in the messenger, what else should I tell? Anyway, I'll send you that Invoice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Strange to see this play out in public. Ive had a couple of freelancers that have worked out really well for me and so I treat them as well as I can, pay as soon as work is delivered, certainly not wait for client payment. However, Ive been on the other end of bad clients. I just dont understand it, if you have a good contractor, you want to keep them.... Steve, not passing judgment here, I dont think anyone but yourself and your freelancer really know what went on. But if you hired him, you pay him. Even if it didn't go 100% right. If the service wasn't good enough then your recourse is to simply not hire him again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Well this has been interesting. BTW, who refuses to invoice clients? That's going to be a surreal conversation. You're saying he has the burden of acting to receive your bill. If he doesn't approve of your work and doesn't want to pay you, what's his incentive? His only reasonable course of action is to do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Strange to see this play out in public. Ive had a couple of freelancers that have worked out really well for me and so I treat them as well as I can, pay as soon as work is delivered, certainly not wait for client payment. However, Ive been on the other end of bad clients. I just dont understand it, if you have a good contractor, you want to keep them.... Steve, not passing judgment here, I dont think anyone but yourself and your freelancer really know what went on. But if you hired him, you pay him. Even if it didn't go 100% right. If the service wasn't good enough then your recourse is to simply not hire him again. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camby1298 Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Am I the only one that heard "Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!" in my head, while reading this thread??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 good read! 'archiform3d' seems like a crook! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leoA4D Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 good read! 'archiform3d' seems like a crook! So far, there has not been enough evidence to justify the "crook" word – in any context. I agree in spirit with TommyL, however, it is acceptable business practice, in this country, to not pay consultants until the client has paid the prime. Terms and conditions, including compensation, should be in the agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Terms and conditions, including compensation, should be in the agreement. Exactly. But these happy campers had a 5 year relationship. Its understandable to see why protocol may have lapsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil poppleton Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 So far, there has not been enough evidence to justify the "crook" word – in any context. I agree in spirit with TommyL, however, it is acceptable business practice, in this country, to not pay consultants until the client has paid the prime. Terms and conditions, including compensation, should be in the agreement. Leonard, paid when paid from clients is often the practice, but not acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BVI Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Leonard, paid when paid from clients is often the practice, but not acceptable. I Agree, that is really disgusting when people do that. I always pay everybody else before I even think about drawing a salary. What is "PO" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil poppleton Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 I Agree, that is really disgusting when people do that. I always pay everybody else before I even think about drawing a salary. What is "PO" ? PO = Purchase Order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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