GordonHo Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 hi, i found a new site selling 2d entourage stuff: www.epictor.com as far as i can tell they're selling alot of different 2d people and some nice skies. as far as i can tell, the quality seems to be outstanding. did anyone order something there and can tell if they're really as good as the samples? cheers, gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armilla Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Thanks for the tip off Gordon. They look pretty good, with a nice range and up to date fashions - unlike a lot of the other 2d entourage sites, which have been around for so long that the clothes are hopelessly out of date. I shall definitely be making a purchase when the need arises. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAcky Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Theres been a big of talk over at the chaosgroup forums. Regarding the clothes being out of date, its being said that they're "current european styling" so I guess europe is behind the times? I dunno. And regarding quality a couple of the ppl on the chaosgroup forums are saying the cutout quality is the best they've seen in any 2d entourage. I will definitely be making a purchase sometime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Zaslavsky Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 they do look great on the website - thanks for the link - i was just thinking i need some nicer cheese in my pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonHo Posted August 24, 2009 Author Share Posted August 24, 2009 hm, i think they're quite style wise quite up to date. but i guess thats what armilla ment, if i got it right he was refering to other entourage sites. well, im thinking to buy some, they indeed look appealing. just wondering if anyone got experience with them by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshenko Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Just wondering: these shots seem to be of people on the street. How do we, as potential purchasers, know if the individuals in those shots have agreed to the use that we would use them for? I don't see anything in the collection stating image rights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 dont worry about it, i take loads of photos of people and would never ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshenko Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 dont worry about it, i take loads of photos of people and would never ask. Yes, but you don't sell those photos on the Web to be reproduced in thousands of renderings...(or maybe you do!) A developer I know of was recently sued because one of their ad campaigns featured a person rollerblading along a boardwalk. The photo was taken without the person's permission and they went after the developer (and won). It should be a concern, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epictor.com Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 Hi Nicholas, i'd like to answer your question directly. Image rights are obviously very important, and i'd rather suggest to think twice about the using images without having the proper rights. If you buy images (and the proper rights to use them) from any vendor (as long as the vendor is not obviously a fake), you should legally be fine. I guess your friend actually took the photo himself? But to clearify this case: we (epictor) do hold all rights on the images we sell. In any case, thanks alot for introducing us to cgarchitect! Please feel free to contact us about any questions / problems, we'll be happy to assists. With best regards, Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshenko Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Hi Nicholas, i'd like to answer your question directly. Image rights are obviously very important, and i'd rather suggest to think twice about the using images without having the proper rights. If you buy images (and the proper rights to use them) from any vendor (as long as the vendor is not obviously a fake), you should legally be fine. I guess your friend actually took the photo himself? But to clearify this case: we (epictor) do hold all rights on the images we sell. In any case, thanks alot for introducing us to cgarchitect! Please feel free to contact us about any questions / problems, we'll be happy to assists. With best regards, Felix Hi Felix, Thanks for answering - it's good to hear that you've got the rights all arranged, and I hope you didn't feel I was attacking your company or products. The case I mentioned was just a story about a developer that I know of. I believe the creator of the ad was told to use a photo that had been taken for reference purposes, and they ended up in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epictor.com Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 hi nicholas, don't worry .) im rather glad questions and feedback arise! with best regards, felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Hi Nicholas, i'd like to answer your question directly. Image rights are obviously very important, and i'd rather suggest to think twice about the using images without having the proper rights. If you buy images (and the proper rights to use them) from any vendor (as long as the vendor is not obviously a fake), you should legally be fine. I guess your friend actually took the photo himself? But to clearify this case: we (epictor) do hold all rights on the images we sell. In any case, thanks alot for introducing us to cgarchitect! Please feel free to contact us about any questions / problems, we'll be happy to assists. With best regards, Felix The issue isn't image rights (the rights owned by the photographer) but model rights (the rights owned by the people in the image). The more appropriate interpretation of the question, I believe, is, "Do you have model releases signed by all these people?" Without them, in some jurisdictions, you and/or your customers could be exposed to liability - you for selling the images, your clients for using them in images sold to their clients, and their clients for using the images in business promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epictor.com Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 hi, excuse me if i wasn't clear (after all im not a native english speaker). as mentioned, we do hold all rights on the images, including a signed contract with the people seen on the images. with best regards, felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasteland giant Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I tend to make my own entourage and like others here - I take photos. However, I don't tend to use front shots much. Just sides+back - I'll use the licensed stuff for when you need to see their faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horhe Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 hi, excuse me if i wasn't clear (after all im not a native english speaker). as mentioned, we do hold all rights on the images, including a signed contract with the people seen on the images. with best regards, felix Good to know, nice to see some new refreshing libraries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 hi, excuse me if i wasn't clear (after all im not a native english speaker). as mentioned, we do hold all rights on the images, including a signed contract with the people seen on the images. with best regards, felix Very good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alias_marks Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 the cutout quality is the best they've seen in any 2d entourage. I would have to agree with this one, just took a look at one of their samples and the hair alpha is great, best I've seen at this res. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasteland giant Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I seriously doubt these people have signed any licenses/contract - if you look at something like the doschdesign people (casual people) - its the same person, in various poses. The model get paid to do these. These people at epicutor look like they're taken from photos. That's my 2cents. but I think pretty much most of the entourage sites are like this (with the exception of the very obvious studio shot people (dosch-3DSk). But as Felix has stated, epictor own these "rights" so you can direct the people who sue you at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trick Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I seriously doubt these people have signed any licenses/contract... Please reread: ...we do hold all rights on the images, including a signed contract with the people seen on the images... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epictor.com Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 I seriously doubt these people have signed any licenses/contract - ... These people at epicutor look like they're taken from photos. ... But as Felix has stated, epictor own these "rights" so you can direct the people who sue you at them. obviously its up to everyone for himself to believe us or not. in any case, as you said, if you happen to be sue'd by anyone seen in our images please direct them to us. im sorry, i do not understand the part about the 'photos'. all images are 'real' photos taken by our staff. in contrast to other libraries we tried to avoid having many doublettes (the few exeptions we considerd quite valuable). we rather tried to have a wide variety of different poses and camera angels with different people (you can hardly put the same person in different poses into the same image several times) best, felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjornkn Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 They sure look nice It would be nice if the Terms of use was in English (like the rest of the pages), and if it was clearly stated that all copyright and model contract issues are in perfect order... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epictor.com Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 definately! im actually somewhat upset that the translation still is not finished. guess its 'normal business', learning that not everything works out as planned:/ i do hope that it will be finished this week, but as the turn around time was postponed several times by now, i'd rather not state a specific date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horhe Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 im sorry, i do not understand the part about the 'photos'. all images are 'real' photos taken by our staff. in contrast to other libraries we tried to avoid having many doublettes (the few exeptions we considerd quite valuable). we rather tried to have a wide variety of different poses and camera angels with different people (you can hardly put the same person in different poses into the same image several times) felix What Wasteland giant meant, was that it is easier and cheaper to hire and pay single models and make a couple photo shoot sessions from multiple angles. Thus there are companies that sell libraries with the same couple of models in different angles and positions. It would be nice if the Terms of use was in English (like the rest of the pages), and if it was clearly stated that all copyright and model contract issues are in perfect order... +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epictor.com Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 What Wasteland giant meant, was that it is easier and cheaper to hire and pay single models and make a couple photo shoot sessions from multiple angles. Thus there are companies that sell libraries with the same couple of models in different angles and positions. hi horhe, thanks alot. yes, shooting casted models in a studio is alot cheaper and easier. having a studio and beeing able to controll all the light and the background makes live much easier we simply believe that you can see a difference. i personally also don't like buying a bundle with 100 images but only 10 different people. but thats probably a question of workflow and preferences - we were using alot of entourage people in our images, the reason for epictor as we could'nt get good people anywhere.. well, thanks again for all the feedback! its much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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