Molly Lee Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 Thanks,Eddie. I visit your website and you have office in Shenzhen. Cool. Hope we can meet some day to discuss the industry development. Molly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieLeon Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 That's correct. It's my own small "union" I have never been to Beijing. If I ever go there I will let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Lee Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 I have never been to Beijing. If I ever go there I will let you know. Looking forward for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Lee Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 I'm still not clear on what your union is going to do for it's members, are you representing them in contract negotiations or settling disputes for them? Give us some specifics about what the union's goals and responsibilities will be. Dear Maxer, We will keep on posting our artist's work here and pass to our guys the information posted here and other CG website,so they are most updated. Besides,we are representing them for the marketing across the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Lee Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 Sorry. they 'BOUGHT!' it my mistake;)....more shrewd marketing. First,I will never believe that CrystalCG bought the bid for London Olympic. CrystalCG have completed a lot of wonderful jobs for Beijing Olympic and have proved to the world that they are qualified for top CG tasks. It is no wonder that they can win London Olympic after the successful Beijing Olympic. Although I left CrystalCG last year, but I do know many talented 3D artists working there and they deserve respects from all of us. Here I dont mean to offend anyone,and I am quite sure that for the world to accept the 3D artists from China will be good to CG industry inside and outside China. Molly Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Lee Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 Everyone has heard of CrystalCG. You're famous! Thank you,Brian, your kindness are highly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Lee Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 China has recieved alot of speculation mainly from the fear that westerners will lose jobs due to competetive overseas pricing. Now that China has a voice I personally welcome your inclusion Molly into the international arch viz forums - at least now we can debate and understand where we are all coming from. Molly, a few questions which I hope you will be able to enable us to understand your position on; A. Crystal Cg is the biggest arch viz firm in the world (not just China) can you give us an insight into how the company has become so pre-eminent and where the company is going ? B. Crystal CG have opened an office in London (some time ago) and secured the contract to provide the Cg for the Olympics there. It is remarkable that you achieved this in light of the wealth of international talent in London, how did Crystal do this and was it a planned strategy ? C. If you are establishing a Trade Union which is based in China - how do you intend to include CG visualisers in other countries ? How much inclusion do other countries have in your plans ? Thanks for your inclusion in our community ! Dear Noise, Your positive attitude is highly appreciated. Thank you very much. However I may disappoint you for I am not here to respresent CrystalCG and, as I did not belong to top management while I worked in CrystalCG,so I can not really tell where this company is going. Probably,Beijing Olympic has been the best thing that ever happen to CrystalCG, it brought quite a lot projects and also helped it expand the brand name. And the coming London Olympic will make CrystalCG a world company. Your advice is quite important to me. To tell the truth, I know much about the 3D artists in China, but I dont know very well about 3D artists of other countries. It may take time for me to know and understand them before I can include them into the plan. Molly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Lee Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 No that's wrong, people in western countries are seeing lots of their potential work going overseas because China's pricing is so uncompetitive, in fact I'd classify it as undercutting. What boggles my mind is they could probably get just as much work if they only lowered their prices by 10-20%, instead they charge 80-90% less than what a company in the west could charge. There's no way to compete with this and as a result they lower the fee for all of us. If your Union seaks to raise wages I'm all for that, if your looking to enforce the status quoe then it's not going to be very attractive to most people here. Dear Maxer, Your concerns are totally understood. What I will tell may comfort you a little. It is true that some companies here are providing cheap services. But for most architects and potential clients who'd like to order high-quality rendering service, the price will not be low. Talented 3D artists will charge much more for any reason. What is more important, the living cost here are increasing at unbelievable speed. You will not believe that the price of one apartment here in Beijing is almost same as it is in London. Lower price will not be accepted by 3D artists or any organization of 3D artists for they have to earn their living. We are looking for cooperations with world, but it will not and can not be done in the way of lower price. Molly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Lee Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 Maxer, if it is actually a union of artists in China, than this is the day you've been waiting for, as unions will raise wages/prices. That said, I think Koper is right and Molly really is presenting an industry group, or consortium of artists sharing a more developed translation service. Thank you,Jon,for your understanding. That is what I am intend to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 :) Dear Maxer, We will keep on posting our artist's work here and pass to our guys the information posted here and other CG website,so they are most updated. Besides,we are representing them for the marketing across the world. Molly, if your going to represent these artists you need to learn how to answer a direct question. You still haven't told us anything about your Union other than it will represent 3D Artists. I'm not sure what your trying to do here maybe you don't even know your self but if you can't tell us what your union does I think your wasting your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Lee Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 Molly, if your going to represent these artists you need to learn how to answer a direct question. You still haven't told us anything about your Union other than it will represent 3D Artists. I'm not sure what your trying to do here maybe you don't even know your self but if you can't tell us what your union does I think your wasting your time. Dear Maxer, To understand the current status of our union,Jon speaks it out for us. We are here to know other CG industry people and seek job opportunities for a group of artists. Molly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 We are here to know other CG industry people and seek job opportunities for a group of artists. Artist's rep, it sounds like. So do the people working at CrystalCG 'moonlight' (freelance on their off-duty time away from work), are you trying to find them work so they can quit their current jobs, or are you really looking to find projects for the studios for a 'finder's fee'? If any of that is on target, you should probably be posting on boards our clients read. Most of the people on this board are colleagues, not clients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noise Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I wish to understand Molly first - ask questions when we understand her (his) opinion. Please be patient. It is no help to shut the conversation down before it has begun. English is not her (his) first language - don't pick up on every little fraction. This is this first time that China has bothered to speak - I want to listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Hunt Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I tend to agree with Noise on this one, here is an oportunity to understand the process the Chinese use. Why not take the time to learn something. I thought this forum was inclusive jhv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 First,I will never believe that CrystalCG bought the bid for London Olympic. CrystalCG have completed a lot of wonderful jobs for Beijing Olympic and have proved to the world that they are qualified for top CG tasks. It is no wonder that they can win London Olympic after the successful Beijing Olympic. Molly Lee That is not what I am led to believe.... well they bought into the london 2012 stuff, tier 3 sponsor didnt win it - bought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Lee Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 Artist's rep, it sounds like. So do the people working at CrystalCG 'moonlight' (freelance on their off-duty time away from work), are you trying to find them work so they can quit their current jobs, or are you really looking to find projects for the studios for a 'finder's fee'? If any of that is on target, you should probably be posting on boards our clients read. Most of the people on this board are colleagues, not clients. Dear Ernest, I feel that you are not in the mood to make friends with us. Sorry if I offend you in any way. But as I mention before, I am not reprensent CrystalCG and there are many 3D artists in Beijing who are not working in CrystalCG. I hope what I do will bring them close to the arch viz industry world and to know more profressionals outside China. Molly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I tend to agree with Noise on this one, here is an oportunity to understand the process the Chinese use. Why not take the time to learn something. I thought this forum was inclusive jhv I'm trying to learn and understand, I'm just asking simple questions that should have simple answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieLeon Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Have any of you read Jeff's excellent article in the latest 3D World magazine? He lists 5 "strategies for success." Strategy #2 is "Save money by Outsourcing." He points out that 42% of studios are lowering their costs by outsourcing modeling, animation and post-production. It is likely that there are some artists/studios on this forum that are interested in learning more about "3d Artists Union" and any other studio that is interested in offering their services. I recommend that you ask questions that will help gauge whether or not the services being offered will be of interest to you. For example: - How will the projects be managed? Who will be the "point of contact"? When will this person be available for live chats? - Does the POC have experience in 3d and architecture or are they simply an English translator? - How many artists do you have? If they are not on your direct payroll, how do you guarantee availability of qualified artists and consistency of quality? - Do the artists work out of one location? If not, how do you address issues like not having a renderfarm or backup system of project files for future use? - Do you provide model files with textures and lights if needed? - Do you guarantee confidentiality of the project or will you and the artists use the work for your own marketing afterward? - What are you fees and payment procedures? - What is your policy on edits and changes to the project? I already have my production pipeline in place, but if I were to seriously consider collaborating with any other studio for help with production I would expect some clear responses to these questions. There are many qualified and experienced studios out there. I really wouldn't want to waste time experimenting with a new group of artists that might not have a solid allegiance to their "Union". Quality, speed, reliability, and the ability to meet deadlines is critical in our industry. I applaud Molly for approaching our forum and notifying us of her company. But, so far, I have not seen a website or any clear answers to the questions that have been asked. As the saying goes, "The proof is in the pudding". Let us know that you are real and you have a viable operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koper Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Molly, why don't you approach Jeff and see how you can maybe help and improve this community with your union (idea/goal). Through some previous posts in other threads it seemed that he might be in the works on a new forum interface of some sorts. Outsourcing might become easier where people are familiar with their surroundings and you might have picked up how un-familiar people are with the Chinese. Support should come from two directions, from us and from you A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noise Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Molly I have to agree with the other comments with regard to providing some clear ideals and goals which you have. Otherwise you risk alienating more people with weak answers. If you are in the infancy of your idea then, please relay that to the forum. Also, an outline structure and timeframe for your goals will be helpful for people to understand and possibly make valued suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Ernest, I feel that you are not in the mood to make friends with us... You would be wrong. I am quite interested in being friendly and welcoming. I am simply asking, as others have, what you are presenting. It is not yet clear. You have everyone's attention. We're curious how your '3D Artists Union' will work, and how we fit in, or don't. The more we know, the more meaningful our responses can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 Molly - I think we should clarify some verbage here: "Union" typically means an organization that helps protect the members and companies that it represents. A company is a for profit entity that engages in selling services. It does not sound to me like you are trying to create a union. Why this is important is union members often discuss creating price caps/ranges for work so there is an even playing field. This is something that many people in western countries feel that overseas competition is creating an unfair playing field because of the huge disparity in hourly wages. I think I hear talk of a union a few times a year to deal with this issue. That does not sound like what you are talking about. Now I still am not sure what you are talking about. Are you proposing a new company that tries to provide a service like Crystal CG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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