Does Anyone Value the Modeler?

[Kreation]

Hi,

 

Just doing a quick check to see peoples opinions on the guy that models all our beautiful buildings.

 

I see companies advertising for Artists, but never for the grunt who makes the models, the phrase sketch up-artist sickens me to the core...nothing got to do with the fact that someone can be good at sketch-up,reason being they want to offer you 2000 us a year cos its a free program..

 

The weird thing is I do both but I do realize a good half of the work is decent models,due to my beginnings I would say more but not to annoy anyone I will say half.

 

SOooooo I'm wondering if I'm out on a shelf,do we have dedicated Image people and dedicated model people here or is everybodyt multi skilled now ..I'd just like a yes or no...and of course some decent arguments..

[EddieLeon]

..I'd just like a yes or no...and of course some decent arguments..

 

How can you have a decent argument with only yes or no answers?

 

I'll start anyway.....YES

[Deetee]

i say yes.

but perhaps not by everyone. especially not those in our field. coz normally other people will only see the final product, final render. they wont really "see" the modeling.

[AndyC]

Yes, yes, and yes. Only the fool will not appreciate an efficient and editable model. Just ask the guy that's trying to render 10,000 frames with your model what he thinks about your modeling skills . . .

 

They make or break render times and influence any ability to make subsequent changes to that model.

 

If you were assembling a Formula 1 racing team, Im pretty sure you would be very careful who was building every single component, the same goes for CG. Every detail needs to not only be correct but ruthlessly efficient.

[hockley91]

I do both. Modeling and Imaging. I wish I didn't have to model as much anymore. I like working on the composition and lighting and textures. Would love to leave the modeling to someone else.

 

Where I'm working at now, we've been using Revit and that has helped me tremendously with the workflow and now I actually CAN do more one the imaging end. However, the Revit model is usually missing many fine details that I end up putting in myself and the model transition over to MAX is usually a pain, but it's all workable.

[Tommy Burns]

Very good thread here!!

 

I have just finished a revit course myself and what i am delighted with is that in order to use it you have to use it properly. this meaning you have to model fairly accurate and have a good workflow. Although I haven't really started using it in a project yet. I think everyone that wants to use it will have to "be" or "become" a good modeler. Not like using sketch up where everyone can produce lovely models and until you bring it into max you don't realise how very badly modeled these usually are. So I would say a huge YES to there been a lot of "value in the modeler".

This will become more apparent the more people start using BIM

"sort the men from the boys"

 

Tommy

[alexg]

YES

 

we are swarmed with offer for 'good' freelance artist, but can only find a handful of real grunt n efficient modeller

 

and

 

off all my clients model, never that I found a usable model we can use straight to render. (got one or two that we render direct, but it is usually due to impossible time constraint and the client's pressure (why not use our model, we already make good model) thing)

[ihabkal]

it is all bout having things custom made to fit the needs of the project. ven a good model made for a still image falls apart when it comes to animation.

no one is good at everything, some are better at some things, other at other things.

[erickdt]

I model everything in my projects from scratch or using models I have previously created. So yes, I do value the modeller :-P

 

But seriously... The details in a model greatly contribute to the realism of the scene. In my opinion, in the ultra clean design style which is en vogue these days it is the finite details which make a design beautiful both in terms of the form as well as the materials. That said modelling is crucial in order to communicate these details.

 

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[Kreation]

Thats all good to hear, but why do companies only look for all rounders,I love getting into the detailing on models and made my living on models for a long time,now I love the whole thing and I am an all rounder.

 

I have never come across an opening just for a perfect model maker and was wondering if many companies or individuals use a solo model maker that doesn't tamper with lighting ,composition and texturing .

 

Its not something people really talk about,myself included ,but as far as I am concerned you have to have a decent model to have any chance at getting a decent image.

 

I'd love to see some site dedicated towards the model side of things, grey scale portfolios or something,if anyone knows of any let me know.

[AndyC]

Two possible answers. 1. They want to encourage everyone to apply, they can quickly determine what your best skills are. While you may think you are awesome at one thing, you may not be relative to their expertise. OR, you may be a lighting god, whereas you somehow think your skills shine somewhere else. It really depends on what they are looking for and their upcoming workload. 2. They are a small firm or a generalist kind of company. Small firms need all rounders, everyone has to be dynamic and effective at every level. Everyone has to be able to contribute. Generalist firms are usually not high end and to be honest a talented all rounder is good enough for the level of work that they are producing.

[AndyC]

Two possible answers. 1. They want to encourage everyone to apply, they can quickly determine what your best skills are. While you may think you are awesome at one thing, you may not be relative to their expertise. OR, you may be a lighting god, whereas you somehow think your skills shine somewhere else. It really depends on what they are looking for and their upcoming workload. 2. They are a small firm or a generalist kind of company. Small firms need all rounders, everyone has to be dynamic and effective at every level. Everyone has to be able to contribute. Generalist firms are usually not high end and to be honest a talented all rounder is good enough for the level of work that they are producing.

 

Further to this point, right now is a tricky time to be a specialist. Times are tough and we all have roll up our sleeves to contribute generally these days. Give it time.