ihabkal Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Friends, as usual a strange request, I need to know who did it and at what cost. Reasons for this will be explained if you really want to know why. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 I dont know who did it or how much for but Im curious why you want to know! Its a nice piece of work, epic in length, over 6 minutes. I'd charge around $80k plus photography/videography. What would you charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted April 12, 2010 Author Share Posted April 12, 2010 I dont know who did it or how much for but Im curious why you want to know! Its a nice piece of work, epic in length, over 6 minutes. I'd charge around $80k plus photography/videography. What would you charge? Hi Tom, It's a looong story going back 9 or more months. I don't want to mention names, but a certain company who worked on the project wants me to do an animation for it at the rate of $1500 per minute showing glass panels and window frames getting built, construction details...etc. I am just frustrated because I think the original animation costed 100 or 150K, and I am supposed to do for a small fraction of that something that will inevitably be compared to that animation (which they gave to me on a disc at high resolution, by the way). And even if I was the best out there I cannot compete with a company that has 6 or more artists working 6 weeks on it making 100+ thousand dollars! they had a helicopter Tom! So I can't spend months working on it for peanuts. I just want to know how much the pointy end of that tower will be shoved in my if I accept to do this animation for 2% of the original budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted April 12, 2010 Share Posted April 12, 2010 Well, you could give them the equivalent of that in a basic matte animation. If they want anything polished looking, they need to start looking at a min of $10,000/min, and go up form there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 getting paid for an animation by the minute? be careful - its good way to go broke imo. 1 minute is almost enough time to cover a whole building in a short edit. its the content of the animation not the time that costs money got a link to the animation in question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil poppleton Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I have always been confused when I see companies charging by the minute or second for animation work. I agree with nicnic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOmrzo2F_mE this one? if so its pretty horrendous ($100k???) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAle Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 getting paid for an animation by the minute? be careful - its good way to go broke imo. 1 minute is almost enough time to cover a whole building in a short edit. its the content of the animation not the time that costs money got a link to the animation in question? As they have no idea that you have to build the whole model whether it is 1 or 10 minutes and set lighting,materials ....etc.But usually no one asks to have 1 minute animation for large scale projects or for marketing purpose and so you can deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil poppleton Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I would be interested to hear from anyone that charges by the second / minute and how they calculate this.. I am assuming it has to be job specific, and already having an idea of duration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted April 13, 2010 Author Share Posted April 13, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOmrzo2F_mE this one? if so its pretty horrendous ($100k???) yes it is this one, although compression could be a factor in your judgment of it, it is not my cup of tea, but you will have to take into account all aspects. I am not judging it artistically, rather technically and man hours, and budget wise. But neverthless in the Middle East they love this kind of work, and they hate the artistic work done by Neoscape (which I love). So you can't judge art internationally, it is territory specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted April 13, 2010 Author Share Posted April 13, 2010 I would be interested to hear from anyone that charges by the second / minute and how they calculate this.. I am assuming it has to be job specific, and already having an idea of duration. I don't calculate it, I have my hands tied. they come to me saying the chinese are charging this much per minute and the indians this much per minute, and the russians this much. People here love to haggle. Haggle haggle haggle. yuck! In less than two years I should have my debts paid, and then I will not take cheap jobs anymore. I swear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil poppleton Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I don't calculate it, I have my hands tied. they come to me saying the chinese are charging this much per minute and the indians this much per minute, and the russians this much. People here love to haggle. Haggle haggle haggle. yuck! In less than two years I should have my debts paid, and then I will not take cheap jobs anymore. I swear. Good luck Ihab.....always nice to negotiate, but only with reasonable people.....doesnt sound like your situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BVI Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOmrzo2F_mE this one? if so its pretty horrendous ($100k???) It wasn't that bad! - Some of the animation is a bit dodgy, but it is vast - 6 minutes. damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BVI Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 It wasn't that bad! - Some of the animation is a bit dodgy, but it is vast - 6 minutes. damn. The Construction part was cool - the animated exteriors were also nicely done, I didnt like the camera tracking from the chopper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted April 13, 2010 Author Share Posted April 13, 2010 that's because the chopper was vibrating I think, not fault of the tracker person/software... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amer abidi Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Don't do it Ihab. Someone's gotta put his foot down and stop this. Maintain your standards i say. Let them threaten to go to india and China. You and I both know they won't. Call their bluff. Just my oppinion as a fellow professional from the same region of clientelle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jophus14 Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 You are crazy if you take this job no matter how desperate you are. Charging $1500 for a still image of the interior would be considered cheap. The exterior doesn't look so bad but there looks like some details in the interior that might take some time. This is just my opinion but it's your business. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 I agree with the two comments above I wouldn't do this for all the tea in China, I'd be insulted if anyone offered me $1500 per minute to do an animation that's just ridiculous unless were talking about some kind of mass model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted April 13, 2010 Share Posted April 13, 2010 Don't do it Ihab. Someone's gotta put his foot down and stop this. Maintain your standards i say. Let them threaten to go to india and China. You and I both know they won't. Call their bluff. Just my oppinion as a fellow professional from the same region of clientelle. I am not sure you can get a decent firm in China to do it for less than $10k a minute, depending on the size of the firm, and quality, it could be double that even in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Burns Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 In less than two years I should have my debts paid, and then I will not take cheap jobs anymore. I swear. Stop doing them now and you can pay your debts alot quicker. I'm baffled by what your saying here:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted April 14, 2010 Author Share Posted April 14, 2010 Thanks guys for all the advice and support, your advice is highly valued by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 It would of been nice if they bothered stablizing the presumably expensive helicopter footage at the start. In fact the camera moves are awful throughout the whole animation, very awkward. I dont know why its 6 minutes long either, could of explained the building in 2-3 minutes far better. anyway - good luck with it ihakbal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 It would of been nice if they bothered stablizing the presumably expensive helicopter footage at the start. In fact the camera moves are awful throughout the whole animation, very awkward. I dont know why its 6 minutes long either, could of explained the building in 2-3 minutes far better. anyway - good luck with it ihakbal. I would imagine its 6 minutes because the client demanded 6 minutes. Only a curious visualization professional would sit through 6 mins of footage..... If it takes a six minute movie to describe, it should be broken into smaller movies and accessed by a menu on an interface. I dont think this is "horrendous" as someone described it. But I do think it could be a lot better. Its easy to poke holes in, but it may have been one freelancer working on one machine with a one week deadline for all we know...its 11 thousand frames. I would have been embarrassed to have produced some shots on there, but I also would have been quite happy with others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djole Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 crazy ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amer abidi Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Hope this is not what i think it is... http://forums.cgarchitect.com/40702-need-male-female-uae-model-max.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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