Cesar R Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 I have a pretty good system, which is very zippy. Actually I have two. A dual Athlon, and a g4 powerbook. Both machines run 3d applications very smoothly, but it comes to Archicad they are very slow redrawing. I have a 64mb video card Gforce 3 and Geforce 4 to go. Can be the problem? Having a slow screen in 2D really slows me down. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 Wich version's ArchiCAD you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted July 31, 2003 Author Share Posted July 31, 2003 student version 8. V2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 ArchiCAD 8.0's redraw is fast,i think you mean rebuild? rebuild must recalculat all data, so slowly, you can break "rebuild" when you recalculating and displaying, most time ArchiCAD finish it's work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_Face Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Cesar, Sorry it's taken me so long to reply to you're post. I finally installed AC 8. You might get better redraw performance if you have an accelerated graphics card that supports open GL. For 2D acceleration go to this preference plane through the menu. Then use these settings for quick response with real time zooming. and panning. For 3D acceleration make sure you have Open GL selected in this menu. Hope this helps. [ August 06, 2003, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: Ace_Face ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted August 6, 2003 Author Share Posted August 6, 2003 Ace_Face, I will give that a try, - you are a C4D user if I am mistaken correct? I was reading post on the c4d thread and I think you comemented on how you use archicad with C4d? how is the export/import? via 3ds? by the way than you for you help. - if I am correct that you used cinema, how do you like it? productivity and render quality wisE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_Face Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Originally posted by Cesar R: Ace_Face, - you are a C4D user if I am mistaken correct? I was reading post on the c4d thread and I think you comemented on how you use archicad with C4d? how is the export/import? via 3ds? - if I am correct that you used cinema, how do you like it? productivity and render quality wisE? Cesar, You are correct. We evaluated many 3D apps and decided on C4d. Just to give you an example. I am rendering an animation using Net Render Server on a stand alone station with clients throughout the office and one client running on my machine. In addition I have ArchiCad 8 running, 2 scenes open in C4d one of which is rendering a still using Radiosity. Photoshop, ichat, mail, address book, etc. are open and I'm typing this post without crashing. C4d is a workhorse with excellent render quality, robust features... Everything we were looking for and more. Exporting ArchiCad is a breeze using export to 3ds with materials only. Then all you have to do is replace the materials in C4d and set up your camera/lights. I usually apply simple colors as materials in AC 8 to identify them in C4d and then drag and drop from the browser of my ever growing material pallet. It gets faster each project I do as my pallet grows. I couldn't be more pleased with our software combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoron13 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Originally posted by Ace_Face: ..Just to give you an example. I am rendering an animation using Net Render Server on a stand alone station with clients throughout the office and one client running on my machine. In addition I have ArchiCad 8 running, 2 scenes open in C4d one of which is rendering a still using Radiosity. Photoshop, ichat, mail, address book, etc. are open and I'm typing this post without crashing... oh yeah, well I'm running Eudoram typing this message, running acad 14, 3ds max 5, acrobat, drewamweaver mx, its tutorial, aim, windows media player, THE VOLUME PANEL, photoshop 7, the desktop (as a folder), Norton anitvirus, and espn motion...oh yeah, and MY daddy's got michelin tires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoron13 Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 sorry, but I couldn't help it...lack of sleep; stupidity; you name it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_Face Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 I guess I was asking for that. :gebigeek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted August 6, 2003 Author Share Posted August 6, 2003 Ace Face, what do you use to model custom objects for archicad and what do you use as a precision modeler? or is everything done in C4D? CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_Face Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Originally posted by Cesar R: Ace Face, what do you use to model custom objects for archicad and what do you use as a precision modeler? or is everything done in C4D? CR Cesar, I use Archicad for all architectural modeling. If I'm doing something other than architecture I would use C4D. I only had one time that I was unable to model something for a building in Archicad 6.5 and that needed a boolean function to remove a portion of a sphere. AC 8 has boolean functions now and that has made modeling much easier. For complex modeling in Archicad you should get to know GDL. It's really quite easy once you delve into it a bit. You should look into getting the GDL Cookbook by David Nicholson-cole. It comes with a CD and a bunch of GDL objects and the scripts that make them up. If you don't want to get into the code stuff, there are many ways to achieve the same results. 1.) The profiler tool. An API that came with AC 6.5 but may be included in AC 8 now, (I'll have to check tomorrow morning when I get back to work). The profiler can make numerous complex shapes, including surface of revolution. (many times I model something as it would be seen in elevation then open it in the 3D window and rotate it to how it would be viewed in plan. Then I save it as an object, and then it drops in the plan correctly. If you need a tutorial, I'll develop one and post it here. 2.) Slabs can be used by space clicking into complex shapes from grouped lines and arcs etc. Again, many times, as it would be seen in elevation and then rotated in the 3D window and saved as an object. 3.) Primitive shapes like spheres are possible through GDL with very little code required. The GDL handbook can guide you through much of this. Take it slow and try simple things first and as you learn the code it gets easier. 4.) Many things can be created with the roof tool and some ingenuity. AC 8 has much more modeling capabilities for complex modeling. Hope this stuff helps. Let me know what Tut's you would like to see and I'll generate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted August 6, 2003 Author Share Posted August 6, 2003 If you need a tutorial, I'll develop one and post it here. This would help. Have you tried Zoom GDL form avent? it is modeler and you can even import 3DS files. However when ever I imported from archicad (the GDL content) has loss quality, I have to post a screen shot. Do you have a site where I can see some of the work you've done with C4D? I did a test render and I applied my 3ds max skills to setting up materials and lighitng the scene with the radiosity and I was very pleased. I want find a tutorial on doing GI/Rad on interiors using C4D, the larger / more real-project-like the tutorial and scene the better. Have you seen one on the net? I spoke to a sales rep from Maxon today and they ansered all my questons regarding pricing , but I want to know I can feel confortable with c4d before I ditch my PC workstation and move exclusively to mac. As you may already noticed I need a presicion 3D modeler and rendered which is what is holding me back. Thank you for you help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_Face Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Cesar, I have my completed images at the office. I'm going in early tomorrow, and will try to set up a link for you. Since we purchased C4D a month ago I don't have a large stockpile of completed projects. But you'll get the idea of where I've gotten in the short time I've had C4D. I'll try to get some links to GI rendered spaces I've seen on the internet. I've dabbled a bit with GI and even less with HDRI but haven't had enough time to get it right. I'm almost there for some final renders to post. Seems like some of this conversation should be over at the Cinema 4D forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted August 6, 2003 Author Share Posted August 6, 2003 like 70 percent if it. Well someone will move it soon I hope.. moderators..? where are you? Thanks Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 well more of a hi-brid thread ;P it started an Archicad thread so here it stays. looks like c4d got another promotional demo there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted August 7, 2003 Author Share Posted August 7, 2003 haha ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_Face Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 Ok Cesar, Here's a couple of projects I've modeled with Archicad and rendered in C4D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 aceface - you forgot to check the radiosity box [ August 07, 2003, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: STRAT ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_Face Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 Like I said... I haven't done many GI images in C4D yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted August 7, 2003 Author Share Posted August 7, 2003 those look good, I like I said I made an image last night in C4D using GI, (very simple scene) and I was very pleased. I will post a screen grab since I cant save . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted August 8, 2003 Author Share Posted August 8, 2003 As I pormised here it is, my frist try with C4D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted August 8, 2003 Author Share Posted August 8, 2003 I had to slightly adjust the image in PS when I transfered to my PC. Eventhough I have an apple screen the brightness is not the same Anyway I am really happy that I have found software to do high quailty cg on a mac. The only two things that I am not too crazy about is how I have to either choose feet or inches , there isnt something like 2'-6" and how everything is created at the origing (one thing I didn't like about maya either) unlike 3ds that you get to created things where ever. C4D has that Maya feel, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_Face Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 You're right about the "units" issue and the origin of new objects. That's why I do all my architectural modeling in Archicad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ola Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Cesar R I'm a design student and I'm considering learning Archicad. I have been using Vectorworks for 3d and recently purchased C4D. I was wondering what your experience has been with the student version for your projects, exporting your models to C4D ,the watermark on prints and modeling things outside the capabilities of Archicad. I was considering zoom GDL. I am currently on a 15inch Titanium PB 1Ghz machine , 1Gb memory and extended desktop using a 20inch apple monitor. Reading you recent post , gives me the impression I may want to consider G5 in the future for rendering e.t.c. Thanks for your insight. You posts have answered some of my burning question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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