Dave Bond Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 Hello everyone!! I am in the market for a GOOD 3rd party rendering addon to max and VIZ. These are my choices that I have to choose from based on the money that my company will flip the bill for. The package must be compatible to work standalone or with both 3DVIZ 4.2sp2 and 3DMAX 6.0. Here's the choices: Finalrender Brazil R/S VRAY Mental RAY (now included with MAX 6.0) And last..OKINO NUGRAF RENDERING v2.2.3 We do alot of high poly count images Architectural mainly in nature. We use the following software CADD packages for most modeling: Microstation v8 and TRIFORMA v8 Autocad 2004, 3DVIZ 4.2 with spak2 and lastly 3DMAX 6.0. WHew!! Please help with narrowing down a recommendation. I only get one shot at asking the bean counters for the money...they always seem to turn requests down if it is not researched well before presenting for purchase!! Thanks!! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Lino Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Hi. brazil, vray and fR are pretty good tools and they have good quality ....for pricing maybe fR or Vray. I am very happy with fR-1, It's very fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Cassil Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I'm not 100% percent certain why, but v-ray seems to have grabbed hold of the architectural rendering scene pretty tight. As for myself I use Final Render however I do have some problems with it. Don't get me wrong, It works alright there are just somethings that don't work AS WELL as I would like them to. I would like to give v-ray a try just to be able to compare. Brasil is just too expensive for me especially considering you have to buy seperate license for net rendering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoron13 Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Originally posted by Brian Cassil: I'm not 100% percent certain why, but v-ray seems to have grabbed hold of the architectural rendering scene pretty tight. As for myself I use Final Render however I do have some problems with it. Don't get me wrong, It works alright there are just somethings that don't work AS WELL as I would like them to. I would like to give v-ray a try just to be able to compare. Brasil is just too expensive for me especially considering you have to buy seperate license for net rendering. I thought that it comes with one working license and 3 rendering licenses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgarcia Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 It's still almost twice the price of VRay (which has unlimited net render nodes and 10 for *edit* distributed render). [ November 07, 2003, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: xgarcia ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Cassil Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 it's still almost twice the price of VRay (which as 10 licenses for net render). ...and final render is unlimited in the number of render nodes you can add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoron13 Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 twice as much? I'm looking at vray for myself and the advanced version is $799. Brazil (still kicking myself for not getting it when it came out) is now $1200...not nearly double, but yeah, it's a bit more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Originally posted by Brian Cassil: quote: it's still almost twice the price of VRay (which as 10 licenses for net render). ...and final render is unlimited in the number of render nodes you can add. Vray is unlimited as well... the 10 licenses is for distributed rendering, which is different then netrender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgarcia Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 That's what I meant to say Chris...thx for clarifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph alexander Posted November 11, 2003 Share Posted November 11, 2003 I've personally been blown away with the quality of the support team at splutterfish. They have a 24 hour icq board, I don't really know when they sleep, but if you have a tech question they'll give you a reply. Like 2:00 am. The program is very solid and hard to crash, it has a good learning curve too. With a ton of tutorials online, something like 50. They're working on a better distributed rendering plugin right now too. On the down side brazil is not discreet certified meaning that some plugins won't work well with it, (shave and haircut), but I don't think you need that for arch viz. -joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Nakadate Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Basically, you get what you pay for. Vray can do some neat tricks, but Brazil is a much richer program (reference Brazil being used in major motion pictures, for one). Check the respective sites for comparison, images, etc. And yes, Splutterfish's support is unmatched, in my experience with software of any kind. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbr Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 I am liking fR, but I really think it's just going to be a matter of taste and experience. All of them produce incredible images in the right hands. As for Brazil being in motion pictures, I'd guess that has as much to do with politics as anything, just as fR being part of the Discreet program (although I guess that's nice if you use more plugins). It was also immediately compatible with Max 6. Look around, you'll find people that love each one. You can't go wrong with fR, Brazil, or VRay. Final Toon looks like fun, but I've yet to try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuninho Prieto Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 I think it depends on what Vray and Brazil guys are read to launch, and how much you can wait. By now I think FinalRender is a little bit ahead. It has a good price (like vray advanced) and offers a distributed render wich works very fine. This mean you can render one image in many computers in a fraction of time. The setup is very easy.(Brazil doesn´t / Vray I think doesn´t too) Also (very important)the floating license allows you to work on any machine you want in your network.(please check this feature in vray) Brazil has the same kind of license. Brazil comes with to render lisences. This means you can work in a scene while you are rendering two other scenes in two machines FinalRender.........hummmmm I don´t know, I have to ask Victor(he works with FR), but I think you can only work or render in one machine at a time. I think FinalRender is faster than Brazil as it offers very good results in no time.Although Brazil has some FANTASTIC shaders (velvet,wax,glass are great). Then comes the learning curve. Brazil has a lot of parameters and each one affects the other.(as we could expect!) So adjusting a scene is a game of pacience, experience and knowledge. After some time you are having good results. But it isn´t easy and good results take time to render. Brazil comes with a tecnical manual and no tutorials or video.(although you have many tutorials on Splutterfish site)For the price you pay, I think they could pay more attention at the inicial lessons at least. FinalRender comes with a good video explanation, which works better than tutorials cause explain how and when you should use a parameter. It has less parameters and features. The leaning curve is fast and you have good results in a day or two. We don´t use vray, but I have seen very good images, hera at CGARCHITECT. Looking Chaosgroup site I saw many tutorials and you can find many free vray materials in the internet. I think Vray in gaing popularit among users for its speed, easy of use(?), knowledge base. You can download (and use !!!) the free version and play serious with the demo version. Also the standard version has a good price. We use Brazil and FinalRender stage-1 (w/ patch) here at office. If you can, I would wait to see what Brazil and Vray will offer after stage-1 hit the market. (Don´t forget MAX 6!) They probably will attack with same features and others. Maybe we can expect for some dropping price coming from splluterfish to spark the fight. [ November 16, 2003, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: Tuninho ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Originally posted by Nakadate: Basically, you get what you pay for. Vray can do some neat tricks, but Brazil is a much richer program (reference Brazil being used in major motion pictures, for one). Check the respective sites for comparison, images, etc. And yes, Splutterfish's support is unmatched, in my experience with software of any kind. Nick If that was really true, Renderman would be 10 times better then Brazil... not true. Also think about overhead. Sofia Bulgeria most likely has a lot less overhead then Venice California or Germany. Also both Vray and finalRender have also been used in major motion pictures. So has elastic reality (see pod races from episode 1). Not to say that your statment is wrong, but saying that something is better because it is more expensive and has been used in movies is a bit BS. Sorry Nick, you can beat me up next time you see me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darshan Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 pls help me to locate the brazil rio render.. i need to download it.... wr can i download it from....(not splutterfish.com) even a demo version will do... pls suggest guys ... its urgent.. thanx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-r-c-h Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 Digging up a thread from 4 years ago to request warez. Cool stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creasia Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 I know that http://www.maxplugins.de had a link to it. Otherwise check the splutterfish site http://www.splutterfish.com/sf/WebContent/Index I would consider the vray free plugin as well as it has no limit to pixel size. http://www.chaosgroup.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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