Cesar R Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 alright, is it just me or is it there really nothing good for the max os platform? I mean C4D is the only 3d package that comes close to 3dsmax, but not close enough. the render engine is just not up there with Vray yet. As far as precision modeling tools all the good software seems to be only releasd for the PC even VR tools like turntool are PC only. someone please tell me otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoron13 Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 maya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgarcia Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 ....for arch viz? over-rated imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 Originally posted by Cesar R: alright, is it just me or is it there really nothing good for the max os platform? I mean C4D is the only 3d package that comes close to 3dsmax, but not close enough. the render engine is just not up there with Vray yet. As far as precision modeling tools all the good software seems to be only releasd for the PC even VR tools like turntool are PC only. someone please tell me otherwise Actually Lightwave has been available for the MAC for a long time. Lightwave has a great rendering engine that is well production proven and has been used an a many feature films (way more then MAX). Not sure about Luxology (lightwaves younger but bigger brother). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 Originally posted by schmoron13: maya? maya's internal rendering engine is fairly poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackb602 Posted September 5, 2003 Share Posted September 5, 2003 Cesar, Your assesment would have held alot more weight a couple of years ago, when OS X was just arriving on the scene. But at this point it's easier to say what's NOT avaiable for the Mac. Basically, nothing produced by Autodesk/Discreet runs on OS X (though there have been rumors floating around that Revit and/or 3D Studio might be ported) which means no AutoCAD, Viz, Max, Lightscape, or any of the plug-in renderers for Viz/Max. Some of the apps that are available include: FormZ Maya Cinema 4D Lightwave Vectorworks Archicad Why do you ask? Are you thinking abou switching platforms? The obvious (to me anyway) difference between OS X and Windows is the huge improvements in ease of use and stability that separates OS X from OS 9 and Windows. Hope this helps, Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingo Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 Basically, nothing produced by Autodesk/Discreet runs on OS X (though there have been rumors floating around that Revit and/or 3D Studio might be ported) which means no AutoCAD, Viz, Max, Lightscape, or any of the plug-in renderers for Viz/Max. Thats the big advantage of beeing a Mac user I want to model buildings in archicad. as you know in archicad you can incorporate GDL objects. and created my own libraries. I also want to make photorealistic renders and vitual tours with photoreal quality. I want to model hiress models or objects to incorportate into renders, somewhat or industiral design visualisation. for isntance design and render a chair or wall unit or lanp ( sometimes we are asked to do these things in scool) For modelling there is nothing better than FormZ, the accuracy of a CAD software and the modelling capabilities of a 3D package combined. And as Christopher noted, Lightwave is still one of the best renderers available, and even C4D is a good modelling/rendering app. So buying FormZ and LW for example is still cheaper like buying Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackb602 Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 I've been using Cinema for lighting, texturing, and rendering for about 6 months now, and I'm REALLY impressed with it. It may not have every feature that Vray or Brazil offer, but if you look at the work that's being produced with it, I think it matches the quality of those renderers. I haven't used it for modeling really, and my impression is that it lacks some of the tools for precise dimensional modeling. This is why I continue to use FormZ. It offers all the precision of a CAD program (even includes a 2d drafting module, some architects use it to produce drawings) with a huge range of powerful modeling tools. I haven't used 3d Studio since I did a school project 8 years ago, so I can't really compare it to that. I've used AutoCAD since around 1994 and only use it for 2d drafting. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 Originally posted by ingo: For modelling there is nothing better than FormZ, the accuracy of a CAD software and the modelling capabilities of a 3D package combined. I highly diagree on this one. There are a lot of packages that offer better modeling plus the power of parameterization which is a great tool for architecture and design. But that is another subgect. I just react to statements like "there is nothing better" when it comes to software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingo Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 There are a lot of packages that offer better modeling plus the power of parameterization which is a great tool for architecture and design So can you give any examples ? Parameterization is in my eyes simply useless for our modelling work, although FormZ has this its without use for me. It makes things more complicated than they need to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_Face Posted September 6, 2003 Share Posted September 6, 2003 Ok my two cents... Archicad is my favorite tool for modeling architecture. Cinema 4D is my tool of choice for rendering and animation. C4D allows modeling changes after materials have been assigned and entourage added to the scene, when the building goes through changes before the deadline. (I know that rarely happens). Many other apps do the same thing. Unfortunately you have to decide what OS you want to work in and then build up the tools that are right for your way of working. Before OS X I would agree that there was little support for 3D apps on the Mac platform. Today however, press release after press release is announcing another 3D app is being developed for or ported to OS X. I've worked on Unix, PC, and Mac. I personally like the Mac GUI and the stability of OS X. However I don't like to be the one to tell someone that one platform is better than another. Just as much as I don't like others telling me what platform is best. You have to decide for yourself based on your needs. Cesar, You're asking all the right questions because it's an expensive decision. However, I think any platform you decide on there is plenty of software available to get the job done. Our company has been on the Mac platform since the early days of Archicad and we considered moving to the PC a couple years ago. Then OS X came out and we evaluated again. Our decision was to stay on the Mac. PS. Parametric objects are highly useful. I think if you are modeling only for visualization you may not need parametric objects. In the workflow for architecture design and construction documents it's a great tool. [ September 06, 2003, 11:07 AM: Message edited by: Ace_Face ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted September 6, 2003 Author Share Posted September 6, 2003 thank you for the possitive responces! I feel better about having bought a mac like I said, I love OSX and I love how I think OSx is a more organized OS. I also like how Mac are much easier to configure and get working. I will just keep on playing with C4D and I guess I will just have to do a real life like scenario test to see what results I get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted September 6, 2003 Author Share Posted September 6, 2003 well, I am have both at the moment and I am in love with OSX to the point I want to go MAC 100 percent. As a matter of fact I began using archicad on my mac and I try to only use the PC when I need to (3dsmax) I downloaded a demo of C4D and I may be wrong but it doesnt feel as advanced as 3ds? and who makes plugins for c4d? are there any good plugins worth to have for arhitectural viz ? I also feel that archicad is somewhat limiting? as to the fact that alot of time you need to create custom objects. (that will be the next post I make tonight) anyway, I will tell you what I want to do maybe you guys can make some sugestions as to what software is appropriate. I want to model buildings in archicad. as you know in archicad you can incorporate GDL objects. and created my own libraries. I also want to make photorealistic renders and vitual tours with photoreal quality. I want to model hiress models or objects to incorportate into renders, somewhat or industiral design visualisation. for isntance design and render a chair or wall unit or lanp ( sometimes we are asked to do these things in scool) I guess than on the PC platform I would be looking at: archicad 3dsmax + vray / finalrender rhino possibly for accurate modeling what I like about rhino is that it feels like autocad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 as said, C4D WILL deliver the desired results ur other fav 3d proggys do, you must know how to manipulate it thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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