xgarcia Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 thx for clearing that up Jack. Xavier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 Originally posted by jackb602: The law doesn't care as much about what you call yourself (i.e. "architect," "building designer", etc.) as what you actually do. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. So if you provide "architectural services" you need to be a licensed architect, or work for a licensed firm. If what you're doing qualifies as interior design, then you're fine. Jack Here we go again. From what I think I understand is your take on this I believe you to be mistaken. Anyone can design a home and sell that design. My father designs homes - he is not an architect. He has been doing high end residential for 30+ years. He never calls himself an architect and it has come up many times that he cannot use architect or any form (architectural design, architectural services yada yada). I do know that the term architect varies from state to state. I was looking things up and came across this home designers web site I think he puts it pretty well http://www.zorncarey.com/designer.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 I'm an Archatect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Originally posted by kid: I'm an Archatect eh? i thought you served burgers? [ August 05, 2003, 02:27 AM: Message edited by: STRAT ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperDanJelly Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 my 2 cents : I work for 50 euros/hour. I prefer to be payed like that instead of being payed per image. It's my recipe I hopfully do some courses/training for architecture school for 75 euros/hour, it's something that can help when there's no job ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 No, the burgers are self serve now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mzagorski Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 To earn good money you ultimately need stamina. I see so many young people the same age as me... (early 20's) and they expect to stop work at 5pm and go home. Eh.. sorry, but that isn't the way to make a living. Another way to make good $$ is to get people to work for you! You can work your ass off... but its easier to divice that working your ass off-ness between more people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archkre Posted August 5, 2003 Author Share Posted August 5, 2003 Did Master Mario Botta from Switzerland(Ticino Canton) ,take ARE exam.and get Frisco licence before doing San Francisco library? Did Frank Gerhy take Spanish version of ARE and was licensee in Bilbao for Guggenheim Bilbao? Examples are thousands for "Burocracy lovers" Gimme a brake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 I'm an Archatect eh? i thought you served burgers? There is nothing inconsistent with that combination. But Kid's spelling should be noted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcahunak Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Originally posted by archkre: Did Master Mario Botta from Switzerland(Ticino Canton) ,take ARE exam.and get Frisco licence before doing San Francisco library? Did Frank Gerhy take Spanish version of ARE and was licensee in Bilbao for Guggenheim Bilbao? Examples are thousands for "Burocracy lovers" Gimme a brake! Some "Paparazi" architects are above laws, or norms, but you can try too - tell that story to your potential client and show them the beautiful jobs you did in your hometown. I'm sure they would want you designing their next library right away... Now seriously - whats that argument is good for anyway? you want to make money, ppl are asking you questions, in order to help you I guess, so why are you attacking them? I dont think you'll be able to get much out of it with that kind of attitude. Anyway, Good luck with whatever comes your way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Originally posted by archkre: Did Master Mario Botta from Switzerland(Ticino Canton) ,take ARE exam.and get Frisco licence before doing San Francisco library? Did Frank Gerhy take Spanish version of ARE and was licensee in Bilbao for Guggenheim Bilbao? Examples are thousands for "Burocracy lovers" Gimme a brake! maybe not, i don't know, but if you look at the issued set of drawings for the building they will have someone's stamp on them, probably a local architect to the project. this practice was alluded to earlier in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgarcia Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 This is something totally different than what we were discussing. Botti had to associate his firm with a US firm in California (San Francisco most likely) in order to get that project built. This is quite legal and normal thing to do. What was being discussed is having someone else claim responsiblity (sign and sealing construction dwgs with a state license) under the table or without that person being in your firm. Firm associations are quite common - otherwise it would be quite a hassle to get projects built around the world or even in other states (unless you are licensed for that particular region). Xavier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archkre Posted August 5, 2003 Author Share Posted August 5, 2003 I started this topic with "how to make $$$$$$ in Architecture & related" It evolved to Ncarb licenses and its necesity What "Architectural bussiness" is :a non profit organization or a road to financial freedom? Are we condemned to be office clercs with some cad knowledge? Or just kinds of paralegals with building codes ,local regulations knowledge,able to fill hundreds of forms accurately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Architecture is what you make it. You can be a glorified secretary if you want, just doing contract documantation and complaining about it everyday. Or you can put a bit of effort into your career by doing things like competition submissions in your own time. It won't make you rich but you will be doing what you love (I assume) and with some success in competitions the work you really want to do may come your way. It sounds like you want a strict 9-5 AND get filthy rich. Architecture is definately the wrong profession for you if that's your goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgarcia Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Well this posts should have pretty much summed it up for me: Originally posted by mbr: Statistically, if you look at the majority of the famous architects practicing today (and no doubt in the past, although that I don't know for sure), you will see that they all 1. Were very talented 2. Worked their a**es off 3. Came from a wealthy family (it's everywhere - look at Mick Jagger!) and/or 4. Is married to someone that has a high paying job Those are the ingredients, probably in that order. If you don't have them, then you have to look at the big number 5 - LUCK! There's plenty to go around, but it does become like gambling. The more you play, the better your odds of winning, but the greater your odds of losing. You just gotta weigh each risk against its reward. You can also see why most people stay with the paycheck to paycheck - it's relatively safe. I think Danny just likes to argue for the sake of arguing. We've more than enough replied to your ideas and questions, even gotten off topic. If you complain so much about architecture and the work that is required for it, than it's time to find something else. Write a book, open a car wash, teach, photograph wildlife...I don't know. But it seems like you dislike architecture "work". Based in my limited and young experiences, there is no such "get rich quick doing nothing but sitting on your ass all day in front of the pool" jobs out there. Best of luck Danny. Xavier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archkre Posted August 5, 2003 Author Share Posted August 5, 2003 No,I love create controversy and go into polemics, like Robert Venturi liked "Complexity and Contradiction" So I post something motivationaly controversial,then close internet and go back to my Autocad working drawings and after a certain time I go back to check if anybody answered. Is this wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgarcia Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 heh...joke's on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackb602 Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Anyone can design a home and sell that design. Sawyer, You and the site you mention are right. Single family homes are an exception to what I was talking about; I forgot about that. In any case, I think I'm done being anal for awhile. Maybe I need some beat poetry to loosen up a little. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illyrianeye Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 AIA? NCARB? ARE EXAM? i take thee and wipe my azz with you. Frank Lloyd Wright, officially received his architectural liscence in 1996. Bottom line, there are a lot of "architects" with a liscences that dont know what they are doing. Getting the liscence should be a personal goal, to prove to yourself that you are capable, otherwise, doesnt bring anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 Getting the liscence should be a personal goal, to prove to yourself that you are capable, otherwise, doesnt bring anything. My Grandfather told me that in the early days of the automobile you didn't need a licence, but try driving without one NOW and you get to visit one of our lovely government hotels--especially when you cause an accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illyrianeye Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 You can't compare architecture with driving a car, if you do, then you are not an architect. My point is, to be a good architect, you dont have to be liscenced. Having a liscence doesnt make you a good architect. period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 Originally posted by illyrianeye: You can't compare architecture with driving a car, if you do, then you are not an architect. My point is, to be a good architect, you dont have to be liscenced. Having a liscence doesnt make you a good architect. period to be a good driver, you don't have to be licensed. having a license does not make you a good driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 Jeeze who would have thought this could get old? To be an ARCHITECT you need to be licensed. Does not mean you will be a good DESIGNER. Architect is a legal term like DR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illyrianeye Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 Yes, thats another way of putting it. To have a liscence though, does that make you better qualified to be creative? solve design problems? or it just gives you legal ability to stamp drawings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 OLD? NO, never! Bickering is endlessly entertaining! Originally posted by illyrianeye: You can't compare architecture with driving a car, if you do, then you are not an architect. My point is, to be a good architect, you dont have to be liscenced. Having a liscence doesnt make you a good architect. period I make that comparison, and yet I am a visionary architect--only I'm not formally trained or licenced in any jurisdiction on Earth. I could not design a safe and functional building if my life depended on it. But I do design buildings, some are pretty cool looking. like that... You do not need a licence to be an architect, OK, as long as you don't want to BUILD what you design. You also do not really NEED to have a licence to be a good doctor, or a good driver. But it helps to stay out of jail if you do. Somehow this thread has turned on a philosophical difference between architecture as a talent/calling and a legally defined licenced profession. As such it has lost all meaning. Either way a person can earn a living if they work hard and are talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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