Tommy L Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 Just thought Id ask the question as there seems to be a lot of self-promotion on the forum, notably in the Finished work (now gallery) threads. Seems a bit silly to be preaching to the choir.... I used to go to the finished work forum all the time to see whats cooking, but it doesn't seem to read as well now its the gallery as well. I thought it would be like most new things and would grow on me, but it hasn't. Doesn't seem to be such enthusiastic feedback on work there either, or is it just me? Dont get me wrong, Ive made contacts that have led to work here, but not directly in response to posting and only maybe 3 jobs in about 6 years (or however long ago I joined). The real benefit Ive found here is support, technical and otherwise. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinsley Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 I agree with you about the feel of the new Finished Work forum... I think it has kind of gone "Evermotiony", and turned into a place for every viz artist out there to advertise for themselves and see how many compliments they can get. Instead of real crits and advice on how they might improve, alot of the New members (1 posters) seem to be looking to be told how rad they are. I have never gotten any work off of CGA, except for the offers where I provide images and then I get paid... but like you say Tom, I have received invaluable advice and support over the years. I miss the old finished work forum. I don't think I will post any work to the new finished forum in order to avoid comments like: nice nice job excellent work excellent job Wow I don't mind getting a little praise, but the guys who go post to post and write the same message really bother me, especially when so many posts seem not to be too constructive lately... I like when people tell me what's wrong with my image and how to improve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinsley Posted July 23, 2010 Share Posted July 23, 2010 maybe we could ask for a portfolio section where each member has the ability to create their own thread to post their work there so we don't have to sift through the spam every time we log own to the forum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Hunt Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 that sort of happens now with the new "View My Gallery" link to your profile. All your uploaded images are stored in your profile. What I find quite fun is to go onto someones profile, look at their work then jump to one of the recent visitor profiles. It quite fun and interesting who else is trawling the galleries. jhv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Sanchez Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 (edited) I agree that the new "Finished Work" thread has lost it's charm. Instead of a "critique" thread, it has become a gallery, a showcase of work. I myself have fallen into the "good work"..."nice job" routine, because it's just so many images being posted. Seems like there's an image posted every minute, I get tired of critiquing each one, particularly when the artist doesn't really even care for the critique. I say Jeff should separate the gallery from the "Finished Work Critique" thread, back to how it was before... and no I've never gotten a job from CGA. Edited July 24, 2010 by sancheuz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted July 24, 2010 Author Share Posted July 24, 2010 I kind of feel bad about starting this thread. Im sure Jeff went to alot of trouble to amend the site to roll two similar products into one. Some things cant be explained, its just a hunch. I went back and had a look at a bunch of threads. There's not much blatant advertising, it just has a different vibe is all. More of a showcase than a show-and-tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-MerlyN- Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 I'd be happy already, if I could exclude the new gallery posts from the Unread Posts listing. I totally agree, that since the new gallery was incorporated the site has lost much of its charm to me, since 75% of the posts I get when checking the unread posts are new gallery submissions, and the majority of them dont generate any discussions worth reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kippu Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 hmm so i wasnt the only one thinking the new gallery was different , maybe people check the thumbnails and if its nice go in and mention it is nice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Sanchez Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 Maybe we can have a "Visualization Gallery" thread and apart from that a "Critiques" Thread.....ummm even tho isn't that what we had before?..nvm :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted July 24, 2010 Share Posted July 24, 2010 I have gotten work through the associations that I've developed with others here over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inxa Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 (edited) I don't know whether some person from the forum has mentioned my name across to a possible client. Or a client has seen my work on CgA and has told me regarding the same while working with me. But am sure the exposure that we get is very rewarding. CgA is be a very important place to get known. Know what's going on in the world of Renderings and technology. Learn whats the best in the industry do. I think this is few or rather the only few places where some of the big studios post and reply. For me CgA, as Tommy mentioned as mainly been for technical support, real comments and critique and made some friends for sure. Though we haven't sat down for a snack, but through posting on the forums and learning about the work that we do, one does get a lot of friends here. I am sure many of us have. As there are loads of people joining in I think it's very difficult to expect real crits. Some time people don't take efforts in replying. I think what we need is a section or forum like "Harsh crits" or "Real critique". That should work good. I think there is something similar on CgSociety forums as well. I not saying that it's easy to keep moderating and give out entire time to the forums, but I think there should be some strict moderation. I have seen so many people spamming the threads. For all 5 renders they post 5 new threads right one after another. That's not done. Also, selfish-self promotions should be banned right away. I happened to see one recently on Gees thread. Sorry if the reply has gone a bit haywire. Edited July 25, 2010 by Inxa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted July 27, 2010 Author Share Posted July 27, 2010 OH, I GET it now. If I post an image in the gallery section then it becomes part of my profile, as in, the 'View my Gallery' button next to my avatar. That would explain the salesman like posts in the gallery section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianKitts Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 I got a random call from a local company a couple of months back, they said they had found my work posted here on the site (this was right before the new gallery was launched)..... I was unable to help them out due to my current workload, so I tossed the job at a fellow CGA member. That was a first time occurrence for me since I joined the community six years ago, so I'd say it's not common but possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasteland giant Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 was going to offer someone on this forum a bunch of work awhile back but he didn't reply to my PM til too late but then we went with someone else. so yeah, its possible but yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Sanchez Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 OH, I GET it now. If I post an image in the gallery section then it becomes part of my profile, as in, the 'View my Gallery' button next to my avatar. That would explain the salesman like posts in the gallery section. Exactly... this is now a "Gallery" thread.... we no longer have a "Critique" thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neko Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 got spammed for visualization services to my personal email account today through here by jadecgdesign. anyone else get an email from this noob with no posts/history ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinsley Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 got spammed for visualization services to my personal email account today through here by jadecgdesign. anyone else get an email from this noob with no posts/history ? I haven't received anything, but over the years I have received a few spammy emails from them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) It depends on how you are trying to define work.... Have I received direct client work, no. However, I have completed freelance assignments for people on the board who needed help on large scale projects, I have made connections which led to job interviews with great people, and made connections through which I have hired people. So in that sense, yes. Edited July 28, 2010 by Crazy Homeless Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwana Kahawa Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 I haven't received anything, but over the years I have received a few spammy emails from them... Same here - every few months or so. Agree about the Finished Work section too - haven't looked in there in months. Shame - not sure why it feels different (less personal, maybe?), but different it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 Same here - every few months or so. Agree about the Finished Work section too - haven't looked in there in months. Shame - not sure why it feels different (less personal, maybe?), but different it is. It feels different beacuse the motivation to post has changed. Its now a showcase rather than a forum for discussion about finished work. But thats not to say its necessarily a bad thing, I never looked in the old gallery section and I like the setup of linking posting in the gallery section to the posting artists' profile. Maybe if people want detailed feedback on finished work it should go in the WIP ('Critique'?) forum with a prefix declaring the state of the project; concept stage / WIP / almost finished / finished etc ....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abmitalia Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 It feels different beacuse the motivation to post has changed. Its now a showcase rather than a forum for discussion about finished work. But thats not to say its necessarily a bad thing, I never looked in the old gallery section and I like the setup of linking posting in the gallery section to the posting artists' profile. Maybe if people want detailed feedback on finished work it should go in the WIP ('Critique'?) forum with a prefix declaring the state of the project; concept stage / WIP / almost finished / finished etc ....? Yes, the new way to get constructive C&C would be to post in WIP. But I still have to get used to the fact that the '' gallery '' seems to become a commercial platform, where people even give clever names to their jpg's for the search machines. First it was more an insider forum with really great coments - it changed it changed. RK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Thanks for the feedback all. Indeed I did create a gallery in the forums as it was meant to replace the old gallery that used to exist on the main site. There are two things I can do, please let me know which you think would be best. 1. I can change the current WIP forum to just "Critiques" and you would pick a title prefix that would be either "WIP" or "Final Work". This gallery would be excluded from the "My Gallery" link, so you'd have to upload it to the "Visualization gallery" if you wanted it to appear there. 2. I create the old "Finished Work" critiques and it would work as it used to and would also be excluded from the "My gallery" section. I would prefer option 1 as it would work better and be cleaner, however I do have concerns that people would start to submit their final images to the final crits section and never to the gallery, thus removing a lot of potential candidates for the Visualization Pro of the Week. Please let me know your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abmitalia Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 Hi Jeff. Option 1 is fine to me. So if somebody realy wants feedback in order to improve he is on the right track. RK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted August 2, 2010 Author Share Posted August 2, 2010 I like option one, maybe with a sticky suggesting the works' state of completion (WIP/final etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 I think Option 1 is good. I think the negative feedback is because many regulars didn't pay close attention to the number of images that were submitted to the old gallery system. Now that they are integrated, it is apparent. Which has its ups and downs... The up being that I did not often look at the old gallery images, so this was I see them more. The down being the occasional overload of gallery images. I think some people submit a new image for each thread. I wonder if there is a way to encourage people to use one thread per project by attaching additional images to their post. Currently it has one slot for an image, and then you have to scroll to the bottom and use the traditional attachment method to submit more than 1 image. Also, ...and maybe this is a little more tedious, or opposite of the direction you want the boards to go. It would be nice to be to be able to control what images are in your gallery. As you get better, you may want some of the older images not to be displayed. I am not sure if there is a current method of removing the images that you would like not to be displayed. I look at the gallery as a place where people might be able to send prospective employers to see there work. Typically when you are presenting yourself you want to present your latest and best work. If someone has been working in the industry for a few years, their current work may be quite a bit better than their early work. Though as someone else pointed out to me... they like the fact that their early work is their because they can see their progress over the years. Personally I stopped using the front page gallery around 2005 or so because I didn't have control over the content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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