Michael-k Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 Its a good quistion. But I think firefox is a little more fansy, and if you take a look at mozilla.org it says that firefox is the most custimizable browser in the world so maybe thats the diffrents. maybe the just want something to offer Dont know about Netscape have never used it before, but the engien in netscape is the same as mozilla and firefox use. It only opera and IE who wants to be diffrent But I think you will make a good choice to use a mozilla browser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DM Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Hmmm...viruses, trojans, buggy M$ browsers and OS's...hasn't anyone heard of Mac OSX ? (Sorry guys, I just couldn't resist ; ) Cheers. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted July 5, 2004 Author Share Posted July 5, 2004 Hmmm...viruses, trojans, buggy M$ browsers and OS's...hasn't anyone heard of Mac OSX ? (Sorry guys, I just couldn't resist ; ) Cheers. D. what, on a pc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DM Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Oh, Mr. Silly ! On a 2x2.5 GHz G5 with a 30" display, of course ! D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Firefox is a stand-alone browser. Mozilla is a little more beefy and includes a mail app, irc app, and web page composer as well as the browser. Both are fully W3 and HTML 4 compliant. Truly, i dont see what the big deal is about switching. Install either Firefox or Moz, import Favourites from IE and enjoy fast TABBED browsing with built in security and pop-up blocking. Its quick and painless. Another feature I love is toolbar bookmarks. Its been so long since I've used IE, I dont know if it has that - for some reason I think it does on Mac but not on PC. The entire argument over "should I use this or that" really should be thrown back to web developers. In my opinion, all web sites should be built to W3 and HTML 4 standards. This is where the real problem stems from. The only valid question I've seen raised in this thread is whether or not alternative browsers will render pages correctly. Pages that follow the industry standards will render perfectly. I have always read CGArchitect with Moz.... I don't think I've ever had an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted July 5, 2004 Author Share Posted July 5, 2004 Another feature I love is toolbar bookmarks. Its been so long since I've used IE, I dont know if it has that Yes it does. but IE has an advantage over firefox here - in IE you can have toolbar bookmarks/shortcuts to applications, you cant in FF. i miss my links to C4D and photoshop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgarcia Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 check the firefox extensions page - there's tons of extensions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael-k Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 Firefox is a stand-alone browser. Mozilla is a little more beefy and includes a mail app, irc app, and web page composer as well as the browser. Both are fully W3 and HTML 4 compliant. Truly, i dont see what the big deal is about switching. Install either Firefox or Moz, import Favourites from IE and enjoy fast TABBED browsing with built in security and pop-up blocking. Its quick and painless. Another feature I love is toolbar bookmarks. Its been so long since I've used IE, I dont know if it has that - for some reason I think it does on Mac but not on PC. The entire argument over "should I use this or that" really should be thrown back to web developers. In my opinion, all web sites should be built to W3 and HTML 4 standards. This is where the real problem stems from. The only valid question I've seen raised in this thread is whether or not alternative browsers will render pages correctly. Pages that follow the industry standards will render perfectly. I have always read CGArchitect with Moz.... I don't think I've ever had an issue. Its not true that mozilla is full compatibel with the w3 standart. There is still some tags who only IE can read. And these tags is still full valid code. But for every version its get better and better But they dont develop on html anymore, so if you want all browser to be build on w3 it should and will be xhtml. Just a reminder But its true, the designers should cross browse insted of just design for IE. Hopefully it will be done in the future, but right now it seems to be a lot who doesent know about any standart or what cross browsing is or what it will say. But it can only be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 but right now it seems to be a lot who doesent know about any standart or what cross browsing is or what it will say. But it can only be better I think most web designers know very well about developing for multiple browsers, but I think many choose to not support them all. With complicated sites it becomes a real pain in the ass to spend hours fixing one thing so that it works in Browser X that is used by only 1% or less of the browsing public. That may change, but with stats like this, IE is still very much the predomenant browser. CGA Stats for July MS Internet Explorer 85.5 % Netscape 7.2 % Opera 3.2 % Safari 2.7 % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael-k Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Dont know how it is in USA, but here in scandinavian I know a lot and see at diffrent community designers who dont know anything about any standart at all Here i Denmark the state use a lot of money, so people who sit in a wheelchair can come around easly. I dont know, but lets say thoese people make 0.2% of our people here in Denmark. Why not design for other then IE users then. So everyone can come around And when you have worked with the standart in a while, its not more diffucelt to code for everyone then it is to code for IE only, trust me I dont see any excuise not to cross browse, at any point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Firefox is a bit of a work in progress. The current version (0.9.1) is still in its testing phase, though I find it to be stable enough for regular work. In fact, even in its test phase, it appears to be more stable than Microsoft Internet Explorer. By Larry Magid ©MMIV, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. I am not actually looking for these, but I found another article about alt-browsers--again, this is mainstream web media, not geeks. article on CBSnews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted July 10, 2004 Author Share Posted July 10, 2004 http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,116848,00.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcorbett Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 A little late in the game to mention this, but for some of you who have been having trojan problems, the latest wave was caused by Browser Helper Objects. Hackers for the Russian mafia figured out how to exploit the BHO's and installed them through pop-up advertising. It logs keystrokes & reports them back to an IP that is no longer valid. To find & get rid of these pests, download BHODemon 2.0. You can get it at http://www.definitivesolutions.com/bhodemon.htm but they have been swamped so you may need to find a mirror site. Not all BHOs are bad, such as the one from Acrobat, but obviously they are a liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcahunak Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 I'm one of those who never had problems with IE, but... as a result of this browsers talk all around me, I did the move. Even though all of you guys praise firefox so much, I decided to give Opera a try, just cause it sounds like a more "mature" product. I installed it yeterday, and looks very nice so far. Not that its better or worst than IE; its just... nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 I'm one of those who never had problems with IE, but... as a result of this browsers talk all around me, I did the move. Same here, I installed FireFox. So far, so good. It seems to take a moment longer to load up, that's about it. Fonts size differently than IE, but no problem. Thanks, all, for the push. Actually, there was one thing odd I noticed. Yesterday I visited my PayPal account with FF and noticed that the browser read 'http:' and NOT the 'https:' that IE does. I decided to use IE for that transaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted July 12, 2004 Author Share Posted July 12, 2004 im happy with firefox aswell, altho i am finding a few sites display the pages a bit differently than IE (eg, not as perfectly as they should be displayed as they've obviously been written and set up with IE in mind) and in a month of using it only about 2 sites out of 100 havent even loaded. not a problem really tho, i just go back to IE for these sites. im also having alot of peeps telling me that Opera is even more superior. so im going to test drive the Opera browser in the new couple of days. i'll report back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcahunak Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 FYI: I went back to IE. About half the sites I'm visiting have problems desplaying correctly with both Opera or Firefox. Problems precentage is higher on non-english pages and pages which were created using MS FrontPage, but the facts remain... TNX for the ride everyone, but I'm back home - Page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 About half the sites I'm visiting have problems desplaying correctly with both Opera or Firefox. What kind of sick, perverted websites are you visiting, son? Sorry, it's Friday, had to be silly. I have not noticed any major issues with Firefox, but I always expect some display trouble, what with font differences, my screen-res being 1600x1200 with most site targeting 800x600. What did happen, and it sucked mightily, was that Firefox lost my user settings. So all my customizing was lost. I had to do it over again. I hate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcahunak Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 LOL TNX for the Saturday morning laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted July 17, 2004 Author Share Posted July 17, 2004 lol, i wouldn't even guess what sites he visits another thing with FF that pis*es me off is that my cookies get lost frequently. im constantly re-logging in to places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abicalho Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 Actually, there was one thing odd I noticed. Yesterday I visited my PayPal account with FF and noticed that the browser read 'http:' and NOT the 'https:' that IE does. I decided to use IE for that transaction. I had that in one of my banks. It was simply because the page was in frames, and the main page was an HTTP, but the frame you login from was HTTPS. I couldn't find an easy way to query the page properties or each frame as you can in IE. But then I also didn't look for it much - I just went to IE to use it. That's the beauty of it - options. Let's not Mac x PC, or Maya x MAX the whole Firefox x IE issue - it's simply about options - we have a couple more now, and should all use them. Alexander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgarcia Posted July 17, 2004 Share Posted July 17, 2004 ..another thing with FF that pis*es me off is that my cookies get lost frequently. im constantly re-logging in to places. I have it set to remove all cookies after the current session is completed (when all instances of Firefox are closed). A bit annoying, but definitely more secure. I agree with Alex...more options. If you find a page won't display correctly, load IE for that specific page. I'm pretty happy with FireFox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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