Quadro 4000 vs Firepro V7800

[Christiansltd]

Has anybody seen a comparison of the two cards, both are a good amount of money and i want to be sure i get the best one.

 

Thanks

 

I have given up on the GTX 460 2Gb card as it seems totally uncompatiable with Civil 3D, however is great with 3DS Max & Vue.

[Christiansltd]

Well ended up buying the Firepro V7800 and am very happy with what i have seen so far !

[Christiansltd]

Just a bit of an update on the card, i have not had any issues as of yet and actually really like it, i have always bought nvidia quadro cards before but will now be looking to install the v7800 in my other machines, at half the price of the new quadro 4000 it really is a bargin in my eyes !!!

[AJLynn]

Excellent. Thanks for the update.

[Strob]

I use 3dsMax and I want to buy a new graphic card

 

I just read the graphic card review in 3D World,

http://www.3dworldmag.com/page/3dwo...136_of_3d_world

 

they compare ATI FirePro V5800, V7800 and V880 with Nvidia Quadro FX 1800, Quadro 4000 and Quadro 5000.

 

For 3dsMax the obvious winner for me is the ATI Firepro V7800 which only 614$ at NCIX beat the Quadro 5000 (2400$) by far in the 3dsMax viewport flythrough test (ATI:155.7 versus Nvidia:217.6 score, lower is better) !

 

The problem is that they did not have the performance driver for max and quadro.

 

I would like to know if anyone here has one of these quadro and have tested it with and without the performance driver on 3DSMAX to know if they could beat the ATI.

[Francisco Penaloza]

I read the same reviews and IMHO I do not agree with it, I think there is clear sponsor intervention on it, I do believe that the new friepro are faster than the previews generation but those scores do not seems right, I'm in search for a new Video card too, and trying to compare the same cards Quadro 4000 and Fire pro 7800 and always the results are mix.

 

here are some other test:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/quadro-5000-firepro-v8800-workstation-graphics,2701-8.html

 

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/quadrofx-firepro_40.html#sect1

 

Have you tested your card in big scenes??

I'm working now in one big project, so far I have around ^millions polygons and my FX1800 can't not handle it, how is the performance of your 7800, any input will be great.

[AJLynn]

That's quite unfair. It's easy to envision a test where a V7800 is faster than a 5000 that doesn't have its performance driver installed, without any need for "sponsor intervention". Anyway, with the big a price difference, even if (as is likely) the performance driver makes the 5000 run somewhat faster, the V7800 is still the more compelling buy for most people.

 

BTW, those two articles - one involves older versions of the cards, the other uses a 4 year old version of Max.

[Francisco Penaloza]

well since those card are so new is hard to find new reviews using 3dsMax, most of them uses Cinebench and Pov Ray lol

 

Cine bench for me really do not apply for what I du because everything is in shaded mode, so it apply better for gaming cards instead of Pro series, the wire frame test or mix wire/shaded those are the hard core test for pro cards.

[AJLynn]

Cinebench is what it is - if you want to see how fast a card can drive a C4D window in shaded mode, it's your go-to test. Now C4D in shaded mode uses a particular set of OpenGL features that ATI cards are good at, so my i5 with my Radeon 5750 appears faster than, say, and overclocked dual-six Xeon with a Quadro 5000 (true story) but that's clearly not how it's going to work out in most apps.

 

But take a step back and look at theses cards for what they are - a Quadro 5000 is a down-clocked, Quadro'ed version of a Geforce 465 (but with 2.5GB onboard). A FirePro v7800 is a FireGL'ed version of a 2GB Radeon 5850. If you look at the gamer benchmark sites, it's pretty clear that a 5850 is faster than a 465, and the 5000 has had its clock speed reduced by 15% relative to the 465 (the V7800's clock is 3% slower than the 5850 - much less difference) so it stands to reason that there will be a lot of situations where the V7800 will outperform the 5000. You can get a Max or Autocad performance driver for either card, so that's a wash.

 

In the absence of any real testing data using the most relevant software with the most relevant settings and the newest cards (which may turn up soon) I'm calling it a draw. Since the 5000 costs almost 3x as much as the V7800 from the usual web stores I can't see recommending the 5000 to anybody who doesn't have some fairly specialized needs for nVidia-specific features, and since a system with a V7800, two Geforce 580's, and the motherboard and PSU required for all of that would cost roughly the same as a similar system with one 5000, CUDA rendering might not qualify as one of those specialized needs.

[Francisco Penaloza]

I just wanted to do a little update, I got the Quadro 4000 and so far so good, I'm working in a big scale animation around 6 million polygons, of a site plan with trees and all that and the card perform fine, of course at that scale any video card will display a little choppy but this one does not freeze max, and I can move around, turning off trees it display the camera fly around in real time.

the heat is way less than the gtx 465, I found some max performace drivers, and they seems to speed up a little.

can't compare with any ati ( don't own any) but I think this card pay it self.

[paneli]

V7800 really sound like a good deal.

Too bad our dealers don't even import any Firepro cards past V5800. For some reason they promote Nvidia. :S

 

Oh well... How's the V5800 compared to the Quadro 4000?

[AJLynn]

The V5800 is less powerful, and has half as much memory. It's what I recommend in less expensive workstations, but if your budget and needs call for a Quadro 4000, the V5800 is not a good substitute.

[paneli]

On another thread you mentioned that Quadros are downclocked Geforces.

Is there a point of getting a Geforce instead of a Quadro and a... eh, switch firmwares (if possible)?

Or at least, I donno, slice&glue till I get a working Quadro?

[AJLynn]

You can't really do that. There have in the past been efforts to make a Geforce appear to Windows to be a Quadro, allowing the Quadro drivers to run, which would turn on some features. I don't known whether that's currently possible but it's never worked as well as an actual Quadro, it's a bit like software piracy and as for the firmware itself - how would you replace it? You'd need a Quadro firmware and a hell of a lot of skill and time on your hands. Might as well just pay for the Quadro.

[paneli]

You can't really do that. There have in the past been efforts to make a Geforce appear to Windows to be a Quadro, allowing the Quadro drivers to run, which would turn on some features. I don't known whether that's currently possible but it's never worked as well as an actual Quadro, it's a bit like software piracy and as for the firmware itself - how would you replace it? You'd need a Quadro firmware and a hell of a lot of skill and time on your hands. Might as well just pay for the Quadro.

 

Well I tried it myself. Nothing good came out it.

I made everything correct, I even patched Quadro driver to install the Maxtreme driver and it worked.

But on the bottom line it was an unstable-glitchy Geforce that thinks its a Quadro and convinces everyone else it is a proper Quadro. What a shame.

In other words - day wasted.

Edited December 29, 2010 by Panibor

[Francisco Penaloza]

On another thread you mentioned that Quadros are downclocked Geforces.

Is there a point of getting a Geforce instead of a Quadro and a... eh, switch firmwares (if possible)?

Or at least, I donno, slice&glue till I get a working Quadro?

 

as you may read before in this thread, I own a GTX 465, and there is no way to compare with the Quadro 4000, I used to believe (reading some specs here and there) that a very good GTX will do the work, in small scenes yes it does but when the thing get serious, the GTX series just can't hold, very choppy movements and constant freeze, there is something that make the difference, and that's what you pay for. Although needless to say NVidia lower the prices of the new Quadro series, I did pay more for the FX3800 than the new 4000

 

If you want something cheaper go for the ATi series.

[Elliot]

Hello

 

This is Elliot from the other thread on the Quadro's. Yes the Quadro 4000 is OK. My gamer cards the Radeon 4870 (1gb) and the Radeon 4870 X2 (2gb) basically do a 100% of what the Quadro will make. I even think the X2 is more responsive.

 

The only difference I notice is on SolidWORKS where on the real time mode as you are drawing a 3D model, on the Quadro you see some details on the screen that are not visible on the Radeon.

 

I was having some crashes on one of the computers when rendering on 3DS Max. After we bought the Quadro 4000 and experienced the same crashes with the Quadro, we then found it was a setting on the motherboard causing all the issues. It was fixed and now all the cards are working at about the same performance levels.

 

It may be that my applications are not complex enough. My test last night had over 1.3 million faces according to VRay little window that shows up when rendering.

 

Elliot

[Superkames]

@Elliot : Your Radeon 4870 softmod to Firepro V8700 will give you Realview in SolidWORKS , and you also can use the AMD performance plugins for Max or autoCAD..

-The lastest version of max also use only 1 core of the CPU(s) when you work with 3dsMax viewport and cause a huge bottleneck with strong cards --> and a lot of cards seem to be similar ....I think a HD4870 will give Maxers great performance as other Firepro/Quadro.

Edited December 31, 2010 by Superkames

[Elliot]

Hello Superkames

 

This is very interesting information. I sent to you a private email.

 

After I returned the motherboard to the default bios and fixed the Marvel SATA Raid.... everything became normal. The differences among the cards is negligible...... Well at least I got the SW Realview to work fine......

 

Thanks

Elliot

[Superkames]

Great to hear that ..

My HD4850@V8700 with softmod + Realview enable ( Solidwork 2010 + AMD firepro driver 8.723 , not tested yet on other versions )

Edited December 31, 2010 by Superkames

[Elliot]

Superkames

 

This is definitely very interesting information. I will try it....

 

The SW Realview with the Quadro is the only advantage over the 4870 vs Quadro. It makes Solidworks look pretty..... hi hi hi I have an old Clevo laptop (57ru) that has a Quadro with a dual core CPU at 2.5mhz (almost 3 years old). Even the Realview works on this machine, without having to buy an expensive card.

 

Thanks again.....! I am going to take a little break it is almost 4am on the east coast....!

Elliot

[AJLynn]

You shouldn't be staying up until 4am thinking about video cards. That way leads to the dark side.

 

Interesting comment about the CPU being the bottleneck though. It's true that most things Max does besides rendering are single threaded. The GPU can use all its cores but the CPU can't. I can see running the CPU to 100% before the GPU.

[Elliot]

Now you guys are going too scientific on me........! Please remember that my CPU is 60 years old mono core and kind of obsolete. I am trying to overclock it but the hard drive is running at 4,500 rpm IDE. When I stay up this late everything slows down.

 

I have a mess at the house (basement) where I am doing all these tests. I brought three computers here to work over the holidays and wife is not happy. Two days ago I open the Laptop two change two fans that had gone noisy. When the fans arrived I discovered that to change them you had to some kind of big surgery. Had to take off the heat sinks for both the CPU and Video card (Quadro 1600?). To remove these items had to open the laptop from the top and from the bottom and on top of that remove two stainless steel plates. Interesting...... it is working again (with no noise) but I have some extra screws..... Hi hi hi hi

[AJLynn]

You know, that's the sort of laptop surgery even I don't generally attempt myself. Ever since the time I had a broken power plug on an old and out of warranty Powerbook, replaced it myself and ended up with a large metal plate left over and no idea where to put it. But, taking 3 computers home for the holidays and staying up until 4 with them, that's definitely going over to the dark side. You might be getting too old for this

[Elliot]

Andrew

 

Happy New Year......! You are right I am too old for these sort of things. I put the family to sleep and then I sneak to the basement...... Sometimes the wife comes down here and turn the lights off. She simply don't talk..... she issues orders under threat of retallation.....!

 

It was interesting opening the laptop and getting to the small chip...... Now I wonder if I could replace it for a faster one..... Hi hi hi and the Saga continues.......!

 

Happy New Year

Elliot