josebly Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Hi there, i am writing from spain. i saw your post about the 4850 running solidworks with realview. i have an IMAC I7 with windows7 32bits with the radeon 4850. can you please help me to make it works.? do you have the drivers and instruction to do it? i will appreciate very much you help. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josebly Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Great to hear that .. My HD4850@V8700 with softmod + Realview enable ( Solidwork 2010 + AMD firepro driver 8.723 , not tested yet on other versions ) Hi there, i am writing from spain. i saw your post about the 4850 running solidworks with realview. i have an IMAC I7 with windows7 32bits with the radeon 4850. can you please help me to make it works.? do you have the drivers and instruction to do it? i will appreciate very much you help. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkames Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I have no experience with Mac system , I'm using windows7 64 bits . Please change to windows7 64 bits maybe I can help you . -The driver & patchscript that I saw best work with solidwork (with a modded card) is Firepro's driver 8.732 just have patchscript for win 7 64bit or XP 64 bit .... -Driver 8.643 has patchscript for window 32 bit , but it is too old , and I didn't get the realview in solidworks with it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) Hello to all the readers We have been using SolidWORKS for around 16 years. During these years we have built many machines to fit our specific needs. We have never seen the kind of performance we are seeing on the viewer of SolidWORKS after installing the Quadro 4000. It really makes a difference. Something which I can't explain, perhaps this is an Andrew or Superkames explanation, rendering with this card on the rendering engine included with SolidWORKS is definitely better. I have no technical explanation but it really render faster. Our primitive renderings of our mechanical devices are a lot better. The last few days we have been working on one of our 3D mechanical models on SW and we can feel the improvement with the viewer. We can rotate the images a lot faster. We are not sure we like the Realview because it has all kind of reflections to make it look better. Perhaps we can change the reflection setting. This is just marketing fluff. If we have one of our client view the model, we would for sure turn the Realview to make it look pretty. Regards Elliot Edited January 12, 2011 by Elliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkames Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) Hi Elliot Maybe you can find some info here about renderer for solidwork here : http://embody3d.com/2010/05/03/what-is-the-best-rendering-program-for-solidworks-photoview-360-maxwell-render-keyshot-photoworks/ -What renderer are you using Elliot ? In my last test with SW 2010 + Photoview 360 , I used my HD 4850 + enable hardware acceleration (for GPU render) and it was really faster than CPU engines ... If you now use hardware acceleration with your Quadro 4000 fermi ofcause it must more faster . -About the GPU computing , maybe the AMD cards still faster , I don't have hardware for test , but please try your HD4870 (mod it to Firepro and test it with the same file ) and tell us the result ? Edited January 12, 2011 by Superkames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Superkames I will try your experiment tomorrow. It is about 2:50am here in Atlanta. This card is really a lot better than all the other cards we have used with SolidWORKS. Our workflow has definitely improved with this card. We are happy.....! The improvement is noticeable on SW. Regards Elliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josebly Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I have no experience with Mac system , I'm using windows7 64 bits . Please change to windows7 64 bits maybe I can help you . -The driver & patchscript that I saw best work with solidwork (with a modded card) is Firepro's driver 8.732 just have patchscript for win 7 64bit or XP 64 bit .... -Driver 8.643 has patchscript for window 32 bit , but it is too old , and I didn't get the realview in solidworks with it . I see, thanks for your help. jl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paneli Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Still, I don't want to take the risk. I'm afraid HD4850 will perform worse than a Fermi 4000. I think I will take the quadro after all. AMD is new to me and its too risky. I can't risk another budget. Like I did with the 8800GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkames Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) Elliot , sorry for my mistake . a test with GPUz load seem like 100% load , but that was a bug . PhotoView 360 just use the CPU with my PC ( for my view or final render) .Forgot about what I said in the previous post. For the viewport performance you can download SPECapcSM for SolidWorks 2007™ , test and show the graphic score: Here is my HD4850 Score , I think you Quadro 4000 must be much more better: SolidWorks 2007 Workstation Benchmark User Name : Superkames Computer Name: SUPERKAMES-PC Manufacturer : Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Model : GA-MA790X-UD4P OS : Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate OS SP : CPU : AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Processor # of CPU : 6 Memory : 4094 **** Overall Test Results **** Note: All results are in seconds. Lower scores are better. Test Number 1 Test Total = N/A Graphics = 63.57 CPU = N/A I/O = N/A Test Number 2 Test Total = N/A Graphics = 62 CPU = N/A I/O = N/A Test Number 3 Test Total = N/A Graphics = 63.66 CPU = N/A I/O = N/A Test Number 4 Test Total = N/A Graphics = 64.15 CPU = N/A I/O = N/A Test Number 5 Test Total = N/A Graphics = 62.86 CPU = N/A I/O = N/A Test Averages for 5 tests(s). Test Total = N/A Graphics = 63.25 CPU = N/A I/O = N/A Edited January 12, 2011 by Superkames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Ilya, don't worry about AMD, worry about hacking I'd have more confidence in a proper FirePro or Quadro than a softmodded one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkames Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 (edited) I'm worring about hacking too . :lol: If you have enough money for Quadros/Firepros , just stick with them . @Elliot: Show me the graphic score , next time will be the render speed . Edited January 12, 2011 by Superkames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryl Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Afternoon All, Just a semi related question, I recently upgraded my workstation from XP pro 32bit nvidia quadro FX4600 to Win 7 pro 64bit with a Ati Firepro v7800 and I seem to be experiencing a lot of problems. On my old machine I was running Adobe CS4 and 3ds Max 2009 with no problems now I am running the same CS4 suite and Max 2011. Has anyone else had issues with lagging on both pieces of software? Initially I had driver 8.773.0 and this was not performing well at all (Lagging on min/maximising, panning zooming etc for max and lagging on pretty much everything on Photoshop). I downgraded to 8.743.3.2000 as this was certified on the the Ati website. Same problems are present. If any one else has this GPU and runs CS4 or Max I would much appreciate some info on what drivers/settings in software or anything else I can try to resolve this issue. Software manufacturers tell me to ask hardware manufacturers and vice versa :s Many Thanks Hen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkames Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Uhm , about PTS ..Did you enable Open GL drawing yet ? What others hardware are you using ? About 3dsmax performance . With old files ( which was created by some older 3dsmax version ) , the performance with win 7 is much more slower than the XP ...you can use you QuadroFX4600 instead of the Firepro V7800 and try again ... or use a dual OS ... -Firepro drivers 8.723,8.743,8.773 ....is not different from each others . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinger Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Afternoon All, Just a semi related question, I recently upgraded my workstation from XP pro 32bit nvidia quadro FX4600 to Win 7 pro 64bit with a Ati Firepro v7800 and I seem to be experiencing a lot of problems. On my old machine I was running Adobe CS4 and 3ds Max 2009 with no problems now I am running the same CS4 suite and Max 2011. Has anyone else had issues with lagging on both pieces of software? Initially I had driver 8.773.0 and this was not performing well at all (Lagging on min/maximising, panning zooming etc for max and lagging on pretty much everything on Photoshop). I downgraded to 8.743.3.2000 as this was certified on the the Ati website. Same problems are present. If any one else has this GPU and runs CS4 or Max I would much appreciate some info on what drivers/settings in software or anything else I can try to resolve this issue. Software manufacturers tell me to ask hardware manufacturers and vice versa :s Many Thanks HenHenry, Simple solution...go back to nvidia Quadro Why you may ask? http://www.nvidia.com/object/builtforadobepros_cs4.html http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-3ds-max.html Simply put, Nvidia is getting/giving direct support with their graphics cards with software developers. AMD/ATI, just don't get the support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Did you update to the latest drivers from the ATI web site and install the "performance plugin" for Max? BTW, the bit about Quadros giving you an advantage in CS4 is propaganda. (Unless you do a lot of specific things in Premiere that are GPU accelerated on Quadro only, which is a subset of all the things in Premiere that are GPU accelerated. In Photoshop you get nothing.) And, Chris, why the iray link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkames Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Performance plugins for AutoCAD 2010, AutoCAD 2011, 3ds Max 2010, and 3ds Max 2011 threre is no Performance plugins for 3dsmax 2009 .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinger Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 And, Chris, why the iray link?I was just looking for info for Quadro and 3dmax and that popped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 So what you're saying is, you're not really researching this material, you're just making a recommendation that a reader spend $800 on unneeded hardware based on a few seconds of Google searching. Seriously though, nVidia's got a propaganda campaign going for Quadros, CUDA etc. that is worthy of any 20th-century political faction. You can't go by what those web sites say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinger Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Ummm no Andrew. I have used nvidia cards all the time. I use gaming cards to render at home. I use Quadro at work. I was showing there are drivers specifically made to enhance the 3dmax experience. Sorry if Nvidia writes better drivers than AMD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 You still haven't supported that contention with anything that goes to a comparison - just some nVidia web sites. My point on those is that they're marketing documents, and in this area I (and many others here) do not put a lot of stock in marketing documents. Did you want to give the OP some advice on what to do about his Max issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abekonge Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) Sorry folks, I'm reaching back a bit in the thread, but... I just wanted to do a little update, I got the Quadro 4000 and so far so good, I'm working in a big scale animation around 6 million polygons, of a site plan with trees and all that and the card perform fine @fco3d, I'm wondering if you'd be able to provide more details about your workstation's specs (CPU, RAM & OS). I'd also love to know, if you render in VRay, whether you might have any estimates about how long it takes to render that 6 million polygon scene at 800x600 and 1200x900 resolutions and, if you've run it before, perhaps even at a very high resolution such as 3200x2400? Edited March 8, 2011 by abekonge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paneli Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Quadro 4000 performs fine? I tried all kinds of drivers, latest official drivers, cd drivers and autodesk certified drivers (ver 258,96). Performance driver 13.00.01/2/4. No matter what, Quadro 4000 performs exactly like Quadro FX580. Don't buy Quadros, whey are just a rip off. Currently Im chatting with a PNY support team and they claim everything works just fine. So maybe i'm an idiot and I can configure such a simple task. I know how to softmod GPUs and overclock the shit out of them but noooooooooo I dont know how to install a simple driver. And maybe all of the people around the web that calim Quadro 4000 sucks are idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abekonge Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 @Panibor, Thanks for the warning. Would you also be able to answer the same questions I posed to @fco3d? To summarize... Please specify CPU GPU RAM OS If you render in VRay, whether you might have any estimates about how long it takes to render an approximately 6 million polygon scene at 800x600 and 1200x900 resolutions and, if you've run it before, perhaps even at a very high resolution such as 3200x2400? And, if anyone else can answer these questions, even for smaller scenes (but please estimate scene size if so), feedback would be hugely appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paneli Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 @abekonge, Intel i7 870 stock clocks. GPU Quadro 4000 RAM Transcend DDR3 1600mhz 4GB Window 7 Pro 64 bit I have no idea. I never look up to polycount/render time. I guess it depends on how much the scene is complicated, material and rendered config. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abekonge Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Very true, @Panibor, a lot does depend on materials, rendering configuration, etc. If anyone is keen to answer my query, if you could assume settings appropriate for a "sketch" or "draft" for the 800x600 and 1200x900 resolution renderings and settings appropriate for a final presentation rendering for the 3200x2400 resolution rendering... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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