Elliot Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) Something very interesting happened. Since last night I have been trying to print to Acrobat 9 Pro Extended. On the screen I see what I want to print, when I do print preview HALF of my image gets lost. I removed the NVidia Autocad Drivers and everything is normal. Re-loaded the Autocad Performance drivers and the problem re-surface once again. Very Interesting..... without the performance drivers the card is just an ordinary videocard....... Certainly very interesting! My gamer videocards never gave me any problems and the performance is nearly identical to the Quadro 4000. Elliot Edited January 21, 2011 by Elliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 That's the damnedest thing I've heard about Quadros in the last 48 hours But I can't say I'm too surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinger Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 OK ATI fanboy, help Elliott out. Elliott, what OS are you running? When you say you uninstalled the performance drivers it is usut a regular card, what do you mean? You do realize there are regular Quadro drivers you need to install plus the cad drivers and the performance enhancement drivers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 I'm not an ATI fanboy, I'm an nVidia skeptic and ATI is the only reasonable alternative! But I have no idea what to do about the driver fail, I'm just joking with Elliot because we do that. I actually did a bit of searching and couldn't find any other instances of this bug. So, ummm... are the driver and the performance plugin the latest from the web site? Do you have the latest release of Acrobat 9? Other things to try, and this is just educated guesses from looking at what's available in the Acrobat preferences: Turn off anti-aliasing Make Software the default 3D renderer (actually that's the first thing I'd try) Turn off 2D acceleration (second thing I'd try) Check 2D Graphics Accelerator on startup Disable JavaScript (because, really, if putting JavaScript in an Adobe viewing product isn't a security hole, I don't know what is) Turn off Full Screen Transitions Use Only Certified Plugins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) Andrew and Chris I am definitely a fan of ATI....... Hi hi hi I have no problems with their cards.......!!!! As I said or tried to say on the previous posting, Trying to print a simple 2D drawing from AutoCAD MEP 2011 to a PDF on Adobe Acrobat 9 Pro Extended 3D,the darn expensive version that only survived one season since they discontinued it this year (it never worked as advertised on 3D).... On the preview window the only thing I get is about HALF of what I should see judging from the model. Upon printing into the PDF, I only get what I see on the preview screen, which is HALF of the image. I have the latest and greatest Drivers from NVidia for the Quatro 4000. On top of having the top driver I also have the AutoCAD and MAX performance drivers. If I go to the lower right bottom corner of the AutoCAD and turn off acceleration and adaptive degradation then it will show correctly on the preview window and it will print as well..... With those tabs in the check position the image will not print correctly. Upon removing just the performance drivers and leaving the parent drivers the image will print OK but then machine is not as fast. In fact it will be slower than my ATI 4870..... for $600.00 difference the Quadro should at least print well not to talk about the comparison with speed between the gamer and the expensive card. The ATI cards have never given me any problems....! Do you have any ideas....? Thanks Elliot Edited January 21, 2011 by Elliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Oh, this is when you're printing from Autocad. I'm going to have to try another search... Is the problem that it actually only makes half a file or that it displays wrong while Autocad it running with performance driver turned on? (Does it display correctly on other computers?) Are you printing with the plot button or exporting a PDF with the PDF button? (Is there even a PDF button with Acrobat 9 and Autocad 2011?) Does the console show any print errors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) Hello Andrew Yes it is when trying to print from AutoCAD 2011 MEP. With the AutoCAD performance drivers on the PRINT preview window only shows half of the image and it will only print half of the image. When I turn off the performance drivers the PLOT Preview window will show the correct image and it will print the correct image. This is using the plot command on AutoCAD..... You are right about these cards..... the ATI cards are suitable and less expensive. Even my own gamer cards I feel are better. This is now the same results and experience I had two years ago when I purchased that 5800FX. Then and now the differences between the gamer cards and the Quadro's are very small. The only advantage so far is the Realview in SolidWORKS. This bug with the AutoCAD drove me crazy for about 10 hours. After a while one of my clients suggested I tried to PDF the file from another computer..... and BINGO it worked fine. That's when I started turning off the performance drivers and was able to print the PDF from the primary desktop. Interesting....... I could have purchased a FirePro 7800 and a good ATI gamer card for the price of the Quadro....... Interesting...!!!! Now I am wondering about other issues I have been noticing..... Some people are reporting similar issues with their computers and I wonder if it is something to do with the videocard.... If I am going too fast on any of the softwares the computer goes into like a thinking mode and just freezes for 5 to 20 seconds with no explanation, then it resumes working OK. I have strip the machine to basically AutoCAD, 3DS Max and Solidworks and it is still doing the same...... Thanks Elliot Edited January 22, 2011 by Elliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Well, there are a lot of things that cause bugs, you can't blame a video card for everything, and like I told the guy with the cheap Quadro and the Geforce 580 who hit a Solidworks bug, you can't predict when you're going to hit a driver bug. But the Autocad and nVidia bug sounds like it might be a big one. Is it just when using PDF as the printer, or does it do the same thing with other printers? If it does you can rule out an Adobe bug and figure it's an Autocad and/or nVidia bug. (Did they do something dumb in the latest version like try to use the GPU to accelerate the print engine? (By my saying that you can see that I'm really scratching my head over thins one.)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 Andrew I follow your logical deductions and agree with you. It is only when using the performance drivers for AutoCAD obtained from the NVidia site. It will happen either with the printers or the Acrobat PDF. On this drawing I have some squares and rectangular figures where I used some hatch patterns. Even without the performance drivers the colored hatch figures do not print well, these figures will bleed the colors to much. During many years I have used a plug-in called MColor. This plug-in runs on top of AutoCAD. It prints beautiful. When using the performance drivers the MColor will also have the same issues. What I have been doing is that from within AutoCAD I am turning off the performance drivers when I need to print. When I removed the performance drivers the AutoCAD will run a little bit slower. Thanks Elliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Was the plug-in used on the drawing that didn't print? What about turning that off and printing a drawing that doesn't use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 Andrew I tried to print the file with performance drivers on the printer or to the PDF...... it didn't print. Tried with the pluging with the drivers, it didn't print. Basically if used the performance drivers when I do a preview of the file to print I don't see it on the preview window. If it is not on the preview window it will not print. If the performance drivers are off it will show on the preview window and it will print. Elliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I mean the color plugin. Could you be having some conflict between that and the nVidia plugin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 Andrew I removed the color plug-in just to test.... It did the same thing without the color plug-in. By the way.... the problem can be reproduced on the other machines too...! Elliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Have you tried Autodesk or nVidia support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 Yesterday I called the PNY Quadro support group. They are very very very good people. They are following my case..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superkames Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 A strange bug ,I did the same with the acad + performance plugins with my machine --> they look ok ..Hope the supporter will solve it soon Elliot .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Vu, that's the ATI performance plugin, Elliot is using the nVidia performance plugin. Elliot, you might also try Autodesk's discussion board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byteman3D Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 I have a problem with my Quadro 4000 card. My system is composed of a Gigabyte G58UD5 rev.2 mainboard with i7 960 proc. on it. 2x 4 gb of 2000mHz Corsair ram, Thermaltake 1200W PSU. and nothing else to be causing trouble: I see blue screen errors 2 to 10 times a day. Normally I would think it's a memory related problem but I see two horizontal lines that flicker suddenly, just before windows logon screen appears. (kind of distortion in the video but two straight lines only) You may as well not notice it, as it dissappears quickly. Other symptoms were; screen going black for few saconds ( just as vga driver finds new VGA hardware) This doesn't happen so often, but for a few times it happened just before the crash. A mental ray service(raysat) often reports a meaningless error in event viewer. Some software (Like MsOffice and Crysis video game, nero 9...) doesn't finish setup. In the middle of some cab file it says file is corrupt and stops the setup program. A max file couldn't finish photonmap creation and crashed everytime at a specific point. I updated the motherboard bios, loaded failsafe defaults, nothing changed. Only two options seemed ram or quadro (more likely because of the video distortion problems) I tried different versions of quadro drivers, it didn't help. I removed the card finally and installed my old 8600 GT. Drivers set. MAx file rendered fine, the unfinishing setups finished without any problems, no more errors with raysat service. It was just like shooting the problem from the eye. Unbelievably, all problems gone. I just wanted to illustrate how sympoms may point to irrelevant problems. I would never think, a corrupted file my be caused by vga card, but that'S very likely, because everything here is a part of the circuit. I believe there is a faulty vga ram. I will now test the quadro on my other pc, which used to work fine with 8600gt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emyrino Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Hi Nazih and hi guys, I have recently purchased a PNY Quadro 4000 and my system configuration is intel processor Core I7 3930K Motherboard ASUS Sabertooth X79 RAM 16GB Corsair and VGA as I said quadro 4000 but I have a same issue as you guys and my computer repetitively goes to blue screen and reboot. I do beleive is because of my graphic card but I don't know what to do or how to fix the issue. does anybody can assist me in that? Will be so appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byteman3D Posted January 7, 2012 Share Posted January 7, 2012 It's been almost a year since I had the problem. I know how you feel by not knowing the reason of such crashes. Really annoying because personally I have a tendancy to check all the settings that can cause such an error and a single setting can prevent your computer from booting up properly where there are hundreds of settings in BIOS that can be the reason. But be relieved. There is a reason for it, and it's probably not a setting if you're running the computer in default configuration. Here is my story: After trying almost any setting combination out of hundreds of different settings, and trying several test programs without knowing which one actually shows a memory error, I used a memory test software called memtest86. It's avery little software which is copied onto a usb flash drive or even cdrom. You boot the computer from that drive and memtest automatically tests your memory. I was almost desperate and did not think it will give me an interpretable error, but just at the begining, the blue interface of the program turned red at several memory addresses. I didn't interprete it as a memory fault, just because I didn't know anything about the program, and was assunimg that it can be any kind of error. You know even in task manager in Windows, you can find the term "memory error", but that doesn't mean a hardware error. This program showed memory errors (red color-so noticable) on several memory addresses so I wanted to check my other computer to see if it will also show any red colored memory addresses, eventually it did not. That's when I realized the memory chips are faulty. I got the computer back to the store I bought it and after having the memory checked they also admitted that memory is faulty and just replaced. No blue screens since. But you can't understand the feeling until your problem is solved: When computers start to crash frequently, you develop a tendancy to expect a crash, and this pathology lasts for some more days. I hope your problem is due to memory as well and gets solved as fast as possible. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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