rivoli Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 here's something new about it. just in case you haven't seen the thread yet: http://www.chaoticdimension.com/forums/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7490&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 since we started speculating about the standalone version of vray some time ago, i just thought someone could be interested in seeing how the thing is beginning to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 That forum is password-protected. Can you summerize what is being said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbr Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Final Render has a standalone coming out soon, too. I'd guess that Brazil isn't far behind. This could take a chunk out of Max's market share. I don't think Max is a good modeler, but the rendering is great. But if I could get fR for half the price, it would be pretty attractive (or VRay). It'll be interesting to see how they do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I copied this from the post on the Vray forum linked above. Hope Peter doesn't mind, or the Vray people for that matter!! This is a new project that is at this point pretty weak and small. However, in a very short time we promise to bring you the best of tha latest V-Ray plugin into the v-ray.exe with connections to Alias MAYA and others as well. http://www.vrayrender.com/exe/ Enjoy, V-Ray team. _________________ Peter ...keep walking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivoli Posted July 23, 2004 Author Share Posted July 23, 2004 sorry about that, i forgot you need to register to enter the forum. here's the link to the vray.exe project: http://www.vrayrender.com/exe/ what is said on the forum so far, that is an introduction and a brief explation of the project, can be found here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Enjoy, V-Ray team. Importer of .vrmesh files. These can be exported from 3dsmax™ or Maya Do I understand that to use this app you must use MAX or Maya to convert geometry? If so, it doesn't do much for the MAX-refusers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Yeah, that kind of seems odd. Why wouldn't Max users just use the integrated plugin for Vray, rather than the stand alone? Unless the standalone is going to be more powerful, it seems like just an extra step. Though maybe the stand alone will be faster without the Max overhead? Hope it doesn't turn into an "autodesk" product, with 12 different versions of the same program... Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Do I understand that to use this app you must use MAX or Maya to convert geometry? If so, it doesn't do much for the MAX-refusers. If the vrmesh, vray material, lights and shadow objects are exposed, and the syntax outlined, it would be possible to create an translator plug-in for any modeler that has an SDK (such as Rhino). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 If the vrmesh, vray material, lights and shadow objects are exposed, and the syntax outlined, it would be possible to create an translator plug-in for any modeler that has an SDK (such as Rhino). You would think that is where they are going with this. Doing so would maximize their potential sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Yeah, that kind of seems odd. Why wouldn't Max users just use the integrated plugin for Vray, rather than the stand alone? Unless the standalone is going to be more powerful, it seems like just an extra step. Though maybe the stand alone will be faster without the Max overhead? Hope it doesn't turn into an "autodesk" product, with 12 different versions of the same program... Eric Actually I think that there are several reasons that this is out there. But really, it is much more of a "theoretical" release of a a product. Currently, It seesm to me that the vray.exe program which is on 300k or so, is pretty stripped down. All it really does is do an Ambient Occlusion pass, with the raytraced lights. What is the big real? It is doing it in near realtime. What you say? Yeap... around 10 frames per second on the small test I tried. Amazing yes, but what is the point, and will it be useful? well not it is not very useful, but this is the first step that is needed. Now they have made it clear that has nothing to do with the standard MAX plugin, but your question is what is the point of a standalone? First of all a standalone has a huge benefit, and I am sure, when the final one comes out, it will not be like this, but more like a Prman or MentalRay process. As for the benefits of a standalone, I wrote a long post on this a while ago... http://www.cgarchitect.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5042&page=3&pp=10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Actually I think that there are several reasons that this is out there. I get all that. And rendering, even without a full GI treatment, at 10fps (DVD res?) is outstanding. I currently use the Lightscape version of this, lsray.exe But it can ONLY render .ls files, and you must use Lightscape to prepare those files. A little different from your post explaining how the 3Dapp would include cameras, etc, as lsray accepts arguement, meaning cameras, materials and a few other things can be spec'ed in the command. To bypass what this first issue from vRay might be and get to what I WANT/HOPE it to be: simply put, I want to use Vray without having to use MAX or MAYA. I would be happy if it would be written as a plugin for Cinema, even happier if it was a command-line utility like lsray.exe that accepted arguements and files prepared in Cinema, or other 3D apps. As I said, that makes the most sense for the company since it would make for the most sales. Ultimately, if I have to buy MAX to use vRay I would do it, I would simply rather not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Ultimately, if I have to buy MAX to use vRay I would do it, I would simply rather not. I would recommend VIZ if you don't need things like sub-object animation and particle systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 I would recommend VIZ if you don't need things like sub-object animation and particle systems. I already have all that in Cinema. No, I don't really need them. I just do not want to be an Autodesk customer any more than is absolutely necessary. I'm not willing to shoot myself in the foot, if doing business with them is what it will take to do the work I want to do then so be it. Otherwise, I would prefer to patronise their competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 I would recommend VIZ if you don't need things like sub-object animation and particle systems. Fran... don't go there with Ernest... he refuses to use MAX or VIZ since it is still not what he is expecting out of it from Lightscape. In some ways, I undersatnd his position. Really Ernest... I do. Ernest... to be honest, I will stop guessing what the pipeline for Vray standalone (or finalrender or brazil) will be. With all this news I am getting a little confused myself. I think that the release of the program is simply a reaction to the finalrender announcement about fR for Maya. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Fran... don't go there with Ernest...I undersatnd his position. Really Ernest... I do. I picture a guy approaching another slowly, with hands advanced saying "give me the gun...just give me the gun...". I didn't like Autodesk beforre the Lightscape incident. I have never thought their products were very good, fairly priced, properly supported or that they 'play fair' in the industry. I tried 3DS v1 'back in the day' and did not like the way it worked. Here we are today, looking at products like Autocad and MAX that do not really do what we want as products until we add some pricey add-ons. Judging from the problems and complaints people post here, Max doesn't work all that well. OK, it looks like we went there. Sorry. The thing is, I really like the results I see from vRay. See, I'm being positive. I want to be able to use it, and a version where I could author files from another 3Dapp would be great. So let's see where it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 The thing is, I really like the results I see from vRay. See, I'm being positive. I want to be able to use it, and a version where I could author files from another 3Dapp would be great. So let's see where it goes. I see where Cinema 4D has an SDK, but could not find one for FormZ. If it is possible to write a bridge to VRay.exe, C4D and Rhino are your options. Of course, someone has to do it if Chaos doesn't. Either way, don't hold your breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 I see where Cinema 4D has an SDK, but could not find one for FormZ. I think the SDK for FZ is in the next version, which is in beta now. Whether or no it would be robust enough for working with vRay I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andronikos Posted November 23, 2004 Share Posted November 23, 2004 I already have all that in Cinema. No, I don't really need them. I just do not want to be an Autodesk customer any more than is absolutely necessary. I'm not willing to shoot myself in the foot, if doing business with them is what it will take to do the work I want to do then so be it. Otherwise, I would prefer to patronise their competitors. these guys (autodesk) kill Lightscape - if I have understand properly right? Ernest I support you man! that is why I pre-order maxwell too...I am sick of Max and Autocad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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