Jeggy Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Hi all! I am in front of a big decision. I have a full time job and I am creating 3D visualizations with 3D Max and VRay in my free time. I want to start a career in 3D field and I am thinking about buying a license for 3D MAX and VRay but I don't have 5500€ for that. So I have to take a loan. This is a big dilemma for me. I am not a Pro yet, but here in Slovakia creating 3D visualizations is a new young segment. There are only few companies which are owning 3D max license so chances of getting a job as an 3D visualizer are tiny. So I prefer to work as Freelancer. The only thing I need is a bit of inspiration. So if you were in a similar situation please tell me your story, opinion, decisions, how did you get to 3D max and how did it all worked out for you. You can take a peek at my gallery at: http://jeggyjager.deviantart.com/gallery/ (Sorry for my English) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pailhead Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I think it's very hard for people in poor countries to do this. You'll get a ton of competition from people who just use warez, and have all 237 evermotion collections that they got for free. And lets face it, a lot of those people do excellent work, so it's hard to compete with them if you're just getting into this. Good luck repaying your loan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeggy Posted October 6, 2011 Author Share Posted October 6, 2011 I know, but isn't there a risk of using unlicensed 3D max with illegally downloaded evermotion collections? Also what is the meaning of buying 3D MAX license if 95% of 3D MAX users are using unlicensed pirate versions? How can pirate users even create business competition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pailhead Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I know people that spent 2500 euros on a cintiq, have high end screens and such, but don't own a single piece of legit software. If there are any risks, i'm probably unaware of them, and i'd have more work right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pailhead Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I wonder if anyone even buys those evermotion collections. I imagine it would be something like 10% legit to 90% warez. Evermotion has ruined this field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeggy Posted October 6, 2011 Author Share Posted October 6, 2011 So what is the advantage of purchasing the license? At this moment it seems to me that to purchase a 3D max license you have to own a big company or you have to be a rich enthusiast or simply you have to be an unnecessarily super-cautious poor enthusiast like me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeggy Posted October 6, 2011 Author Share Posted October 6, 2011 So what is the advantage of purchasing the license? At this moment it seems to me that to purchase a 3D max license you have to own a big company or you have to be a rich enthusiast or simply you have to be an unnecessarily super-cautious poor enthusiast like me On one hand evermotion collections can be pretty handy. But it is a shame that they can be so easily shared over the internet for free. Maybe they did not ruined this field completely, but surely lowered its value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pailhead Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Well, if you live some place normal, i think you wont go to jail or pay huge fines. That would be the pro, but then again, you wouldnt be able to afford rent or food or anything like that because of unloyal competition, so thats a downside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 If you have a ligitimate student licence the upgrade to commercial is far more affordable. Cracked copies will not be around forever, (hopefully). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pailhead Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I doubt it. People who can no longer afford legitimate licences, or food for that matter doing this, wont be around forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeggy Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 I am not sure what do you mean about the no food money. I have a job and a stable monthly money income. If I take a loan for 3d max I will have enough income for my rent, food, repaying the loan and other dayly needs. Than the money I will earn with 3D max I can spend on other things or save some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocratic3d Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Also you may outsource you work abroad. There are some countries who does not have any law concerning internet piracy. not even on hacking. moreover there are some treaty with those country concerning using pirated software that they are even allowed to do so. I think that the software companies are very keen to keep up the market alive. they can even giveaway their products in a dumping price to a specific group of people only to keep the market alive. So now its your choice. But I recommend you to work as project manager and distribute your work to 3rd world countries. Many people are earning huge that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeggy Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 Well, I am not really sure how to achieve that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pailhead Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 You just post here and i'm sure that you will receive inquiries from thousands of people. You may not be able to understand them though, but they are cheap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeggy Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share Posted October 10, 2011 Than I´ll try it Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Fantucchio Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Wouldn't an Autodesk subscription make sense? Has anybody tried it. I work for an architect in NYC and I am looking into this. Has anyone tried it and how much is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyderSK Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Wouldn't an Autodesk subscription make sense? Has anybody tried it. I work for an architect in NYC and I am looking into this. Has anyone tried it and how much is it? As I understand it correctly, subscription merely delivers you certain updates sooner. In many people's opinion it's like paying to be a betatester. You still have to buy the software first though, don't confuse it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) Well if max is too expensive then try some other software. You are buying alot of redundant features in max if you just do arch-vis. Sketchup with vray is much cheaper and gives you the same tools. C$D Visualize is cheaper also. Is this thread asking whether to buy or steal max? The answer from me is to buy it. If your business model cant sustain buying the tools then its not really worth pursuing in the first place. Edited October 14, 2011 by Tommy L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeggy Posted October 15, 2011 Author Share Posted October 15, 2011 Well if max is too expensive then try some other software. You are buying alot of redundant features in max if you just do arch-vis. Sketchup with vray is much cheaper and gives you the same tools. C$D Visualize is cheaper also. Is this thread asking whether to buy or steal max? The answer from me is to buy it. If your business model cant sustain buying the tools then its not really worth pursuing in the first place. Well, that was a reasonable answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pailhead Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I wasnt saying that you need to steal the software. I was saying that there will always be people out there who do, and they will make life harder for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krimson2580 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Hello, I have invested in a autodesk design suite (autocad, 3dsmax, mudbox) with a subscription. You pay a one time amount for the software and you pay around 1000 euros a year to obtain the latest version, so i think a subscription is a pretty good deal. Be carefull with illegal software. I have heared stories here in belgium about law suits and settlements by bsa of 2 times the amount of the actual price of the installed illegal software. Kind regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenpimentel Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 You can predict my response; buy 3ds Max. Why? As others have stated, if you're a legit enterprise, you can buy max and get subscription for a small amount. As long as you continue to pay subscription yearly, you get future releases and various other benefits. If you can't afford the yearly cost of subscription, you probably shouldn't be in business. We do monitor for piracy and we do have legal teams staffed in various regions to go after pirates. We've found that using lawyers to enforce our licenses has been a very successful model. If you're going into business, the correct ethical decision is to buy a legitimate license from us. We've made the economics pretty reasonable over the long-haul. This is why such a large majority of our customers are on subscription. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeggy Posted October 22, 2011 Author Share Posted October 22, 2011 Thank you for replies. I try to look at it this way: Somebody likes cars so they buy one and spend money on fuel. I like 3D max and I would like to buy it to make some money. I don't have a business, but I want to start one. I just want to be ensured that it wont be a waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duttyfoot Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 You can predict my response; buy 3ds Max. Why? As others have stated, if you're a legit enterprise, you can buy max and get subscription for a small amount. As long as you continue to pay subscription yearly, you get future releases and various other benefits. If you can't afford the yearly cost of subscription, you probably shouldn't be in business. We do monitor for piracy and we do have legal teams staffed in various regions to go after pirates. We've found that using lawyers to enforce our licenses has been a very successful model. If you're going into business, the correct ethical decision is to buy a legitimate license from us. We've made the economics pretty reasonable over the long-haul. This is why such a large majority of our customers are on subscription. being a single artist and not an enterprise i am not sure whats wrong if he wants to buy the software and not be under subscription. i could understand if he owned his own business and wanted to buy max but not the subs then that would be questionable. are you saying he shouldn't be in the business or by max because he cant afford the subscription along with the price of max? the fact that he is interested in buying the software legally should be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pailhead Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Thank you for replies. I try to look at it this way: Somebody likes cars so they buy one and spend money on fuel. I like 3D max and I would like to buy it to make some money. I don't have a business, but I want to start one. I just want to be ensured that it wont be a waste of money. I just wanted to say that, buying 3ds in India for example, is probably a waste of money. Buying it, say, in Germany, is probably a very good investment. Czech, Slovak republic etc. i dont know where they stand, so it's up to you to come to a conclusion. Max is cheaper in US than in Europe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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