Ernest Burden III Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I have been experimenting with using Photoshop to 'watercolor' filter photos. I don't like the stock WC filter, so I've tried other ways to get a similar result, and recording the attempts in case it actually works. Here are some tests. #1 is a photo I took, the rest are generic photos. I think these still look more like photos than paintings. I would really like to get them even more 'painted' looking, but still being a single click process. The uses for this would be backgrounds, skies, softening textures used in a model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted August 29, 2004 Author Share Posted August 29, 2004 Two more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcahunak Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 tried some too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nisus Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Hi Ernest, Imho you have too much median filtering all over the image... Try to add it with different values on each channel to beat this. Also an overlay with a highpass filter can do a great job... ;-) rgds nisus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted August 29, 2004 Author Share Posted August 29, 2004 Imho you have too much median filtering all over the image... Try to add it with different values on each channel to beat this. Also an overlay with a highpass filter can do a great job... ;-) Don't just say, DO. I do use different values on the median, and in the LAB color channels, not RGB ones to avoid neon color edges. I used high values to even out the tones, make them more like a traditional wash rather than try to capture all detail. That is because the purpose is so they can fit into a NPR rendering, not be one on their own. The same for the highpass to generate lines--I figure either the render will not have heavy lines, or I would be using a different technique to generate them, and would use the SAME on as the overall piece so that entourage items match the rendering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kicks Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 ernest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcahunak Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Would you like to share your steps?Who? Me?... why?.. hehe Well, didnt really record it, as it was a very very quick test to see what ernest didn't like about the original PS WC filter. Copy background to new layerWC filter on the new layerChange to 'darken' BM and lower opacity (I think it was about 70%)Flaten imagemid marker in 'Levels' to about 1.40a very soft "S" shape in curvesend of gigI bet you can record it as action with different values along the way for more shaded or brighter images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted August 29, 2004 Author Share Posted August 29, 2004 My problem with the Photoshop 'watercolor' filter, and several similar ones, is the way that it adds black. In traditional watercolor, black is death. A proper pallette does not have ANY black paint, no grays either. You mix your darks from complimentaries. So when PS adds black (shadow intensity) it ruins it for me. In reality, dark edges to washes are not black, but more pigment saturated areas of the same paint. Sometimes there is a little mixing with a neighbor. Even though I have a WC rendering or two in my past, I looked at the work of a lot of other people to see how they painted trees, cars and especially people. Common to most, there is a simplification of those elements (from how you would paint them if they were the subject of the picture, and not entourage). So that is part of what I'm seeking to do--simplify. And this is a one-click thing. My recorded action is very long, dozens of steps (maybe 100?), but some of them are un-necessary. I recorded my experiments, so some things I try, then delete, try something else, and it's all recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Here's my first kick at the cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Ernest, I understand fully what you are tryin to accomplish. Perhaps these arent the proper subjects. Perhaps we should be using a person, car or tree. DOes anyone such stock art for us to play with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Hansen Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Well, here's my attempt at it. It's rather rough and probably too brightly colored for you but ah well, I figured it might be worth a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 That is really nice Cynthia. Looks very much like watercolor to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Hansen Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Thanks Fran! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Here is my shot at the plant, but it certainly wasn't a one-click thing. It's a combination of glass distortion, diffuse glow, gaussian blur, and watercolor. Each filter is faded on certain channels. Wish I hadn't done the paper texture. [edited to add] Here is a version without the texture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Alexander Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Ernest, For what it may be worth.... Black is good, if it's a problem. Use a channel, any channnel create a mask, then adjust the contrast of the mask after application to the WC filtered layer. For that matter you could cut the black out using the mask and then saturation adjustment layer of a mask from the cut black or something to that effect. Heres my try using the channel method, then before knowing using about the same methods as Fran to the original image visible through the adjusted channel based mask. The top layer is straight WC filter. Cheers WDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Hansen Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Nice one Fran, and here's my try at the plant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Hansen Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 and last one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 Wow! I'm really glad to see so many of you trying versions of this! I didn't expect that, but am really glad to see it. Fran, your second try is really good. I would be willing to post my action, though it uses some filtering through Eye Candy3, but it is available free (legal) on the web. One thing I have found--original size matters. The inages I posted were downsized to fit the attacxhment requirements--the originals were in the 1.5K - 2K range. If you want your WC action to show more detail, up-size it first, or, to simplify more, downsize. Also--I love color. Some of the tests posted are less saturated than mine, which is just a matter of taste, and either way, a simple matter to change in Photoshop. But I stand by my statement--black is death. Once an area of an image gets black, it has no color left to recover, it's dead. This is not so much an issue with RGB monitors, since black is just a lack of light, but when you print these pictures on a CMYK process, the black ink can really take over, ruining the piece. Remember--in watercolor, the paper is seen shining through the paint almost always. That is the 'luminence' that watercolor has--not the paint, but the paper. So in doing a digital version, there should never be a complete loss of that luminence. In my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 and last one... I really like that one--how did you do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAllusionisst Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Make sure to share, if willing, what you come up with if you are successful. After applying the water color there is a fade water color option under edit I believe, this atleast helps eliminate a little of the super strong contrast. As for other filters, I like 'Fantastic Machines' "Paint Engine", I find I have tweak the setting per image to get things just right and it sometimes helps out to apply before applying other filters. Great topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Hansen Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Hi Ernest, for the last one I added a saturation layer(+54 for saturation), merged it, applied the water color filter, duplicated the layer,applied the sketch water paper filter (fiber length 3, brightness 100, contrast 30), changed the opacity of that layer to 20% and merged the two layers, and finally added a slight gaussian blur to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 As for other filters, I like 'Fantastic Machines' "Paint Engine" I don't know that one. Would you run one or two the posted 'before' images through it and post the results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jysngltndz Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 ernest heres my try...wc + median Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jysngltndz Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 heres two more.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivoli Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 here's my try. just tried to achieve a kind of watercolour quickly sketched. usually these drawings have large white nonpainted areas and lack a lot of detail. don't know if it works or not, the images look a bit confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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