Quadro 5010m is not supported for 3ds max. You should not buy it!!!

[leandromartins]

Hello friends.

 

Recently bought a laptop with quadro 5010m for use in 3ds Max. The intention was to improve the performance of the viewport.

 

Unfortunately I discovered too late that the 3ds Max performance driver (MAXtreme) is not available for this quadro, which is the top for notebooks.

 

I'm putting here a conversation I'm having with nvidia support.

 

I ask everyone to think carefully before buying this quadro, because will be disappointed.

 

 

Customer Leandro Martins via CSS Web 05/07/2012 02:06 PM

 

Quadro 5010m don´t have 3ds Max Performance Driver?

 

 

 

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Response Cindy via Email 05/08/2012 09:37 AM

 

Hello Leandro,

 

That is correct. The Quadro 5010M does not have 3ds Max Performance Drivers.

 

Regards,

 

NVIDIA Customer Support

 

Customer Leandro Martins via CSS Web 05/08/2012 05:38 PM

 

Thanks for the answer

 

3ds max performance driver will not be released in future for this quadro?

 

I just purchased a notebook just to come with this quadro, and could buy a desktop quadro.

 

This quadro card is top to notebooks and should have a support and drivers like the others.

 

Regards,

 

Leandro

 

 

Response Cindy via Email 05/09/2012 12:14 PM

 

Hello Leandro,

 

Please tell me what version of 3ds Max you are using.

 

Regards,

 

NVIDIA Customer Support

 

 

Customer Leandro Martins via CSS Web 05/09/2012 12:47 PM

 

Hello Cindy,

 

I have 3ds max 2010 and I will buy the 2013 next week. I will use both

 

I just bought quadro 5010m for my viewport support more polygons and vrayproxyies.

 

Regards,

 

Leandro

 

 

Response Cindy via Email 05/09/2012 02:46 PM

 

Hello Leamdro,

 

Thank you for the additional information. The 3ds Max Performance Drivers were never available for laptops.

 

For your laptop and the desktop that you plan on getting, you can use a plug in named iray that will use the GPU (CUDA) for acceleration.

 

Click on the link below for more information on iray:

http://area.autodesk.com/blogs/shane/the_iray_faq

 

I cannot tell you what will be available for support on the 2013 version of 3ds Max.

 

You can see the list of drivers that Autodesk certified for their software and the NVIDIA hardware.

 

Click on the link below to see this list:

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=14960164&linkID=9241178

 

Regards,

 

NVIDIA Customer Support

 

 

Customer Leandro Martins via CSS Web 05/09/2012 05:01 PM

 

Hello Cindy,

 

 

Why then on the link below has 3ds max performance driver for the quadro fx 3800 notebook serie?

 

The nvidia site is wrong?

 

http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us

 

Else, Iray and vrayrt are renderers and do nothing to viewport. They still have many bugs and are not intended for professional jobs. Vrayrt does not render proxies, so I'm still dependent on conventional rendering by cpu.

 

I work with architecture and landscape in 3ds max since version 4, and I was always interested in my viewport quadro to accelerate, especially in scenes with several towers and many trees, vegetation and complex textures. During production of the scenes is very important to have a quick viewport.

 

Too bad the lag when you're spreading the vegetation for example.

 

 

Anyway. I hope that due attention for quadro notebooks. The notebook workstation market has increased.

 

I bought a clevo with quadro 5010m, intel i7 3930k (yes, they are using desktop cpu) and 32gb of ram. Except for the fact that my quadro does not seem as professional as well, I have a notebook that is much better than desktop workstation.

 

I think it's very precarious information about the advantages of quadro on the geforce in the 3ds max. And worse still talking about the advantages of quadro desktop on the quadro notebook.

 

Nvidia not have the ability to create a 3dsmax performance driver for quadro notebook?

 

This is very funny to report to the various forums in the world of computer graphics.

 

I'm very disappointed.

 

 

Anyway, thank you for your attention.

 

Leandro Martins.

 

 

Response Cindy via Email 05/10/2012 03:06 PM

 

Hello Leandro,

 

I apologize for misspelling your name.

 

Actually, you are right. For some reason I was thinking of the GeForce based notebooks..

 

I do understand the difference between rendering and viewport but unfortunately as mentioned, there is no Performance driver available for 3ds Max for the Quadro 5010M. I do realize how important it is.

 

Regards,

 

NVIDIA Customer Support

 

 

Customer Leandro Martins via CSS Web 05/10/2012 08:35 PM

 

No problem Cindy. Many people for other countries are confused with my name, and my English is not so good

 

But anyway, I ask for software engineering at NVIDIA to develop the drivers for quadro notebook series, because many users of 3dsmax are migrating to high-performance notebooks, and if the nvidia makes the best video card for notebooks, she should have the same respect that the quadro for desktop.

 

Is not possible to be so hard to produce this driver, do not you think?

 

Regards,

 

Leandro Martins

[Slinger]

Sending you a PM for a possible solution.

[leandromartins]

Hi Chris

 

I just read and replied to you.

 

You had a great idea.

 

And on the topic, as I said before, I show people how important is the support of nvidia about the wokstations, and as not always the best hardware has the best support.

 

Thank you.

[Dimitris Tolios]

Psychologically and financially a painful experience...in the long run you could go for a hi-end mobile GTX and get same or more CUDA cores if it was all about GPU rendering...why do even Quadros exist in laptops if those are not supported?

 

A colleague had similar issues with a IBM/Lenovo 2010 W laptop with a 1000M series Quadro (tho for WAY less money than your beast). ACAD, Revit and even Sketchup had issues!...A joke of a card in comparison with the GF100 core, but still fermi based with 2GB VRAM!

 

But it says in writing: "professional series card"...that's what it counts, right?

 

Marketing scammers...

[AJLynn]

Really, I don't know what's going on with the Max performance drivers but it's not just notebooks that haven't been getting them. The most recent version I see is almost a year old, and it only supports Max 2009/2010/2011.

 

I'm not sure at this point that I could recommend a mobile Quadro to any Max user. This one has the advantage of 4GB of memory, which is a lot, especially in a notebook, but the only time you'd need that is for CUDA renders and on a notebook that's going to potentially run into heat problems.

[Dimitris Tolios]

Really, I don't know what's going on with the Max performance drivers but it's not just notebooks that haven't been getting them. The most recent version I see is almost a year old, and it only supports Max 2009/2010/2011.

 

I'm not sure at this point that I could recommend a mobile Quadro to any Max user. This one has the advantage of 4GB of memory, which is a lot, especially in a notebook, but the only time you'd need that is for CUDA renders and on a notebook that's going to potentially run into heat problems.

It's a beasty laptop...I bet it's huge and noisy under load, but i believe it can handle GPU rendering easily, as the 130W Sandy-E will be under light load during the process...still not something you would like to hold on your lap, unless you've already have a couple of kids...

[RyderSK]

Nice dialog. At least her name was Cindy ;- ).

 

I don't understand why anyone would buy quadro these days,esp. for Max, such a scam.

[leandromartins]

Hello friends

 

My case is specific. I work with prospects for years and always wanted a quadro, because in a project with several towers and vegetation, the viewport is very slow.

 

Of course I can spread the vegetation as boxes or points, but qdo put the cameras, we always have to keep making adjustments of positions of the vegetations, which takes more time.

 

Even with the vrayproxy optimized, it is still slow as we have hundreds of different species, and each with hundreds or thousands of instances.

 

Cuda only helps renderers in realtime, and taking into account that they have many bugs, I can not use on projects.

 

Viewport depends 100% on board video, so I considered a great investment in a quadro.

 

In the case of a viewport for heavy amount of objects, video card memory is more important than the gpu.

 

Anyway, as I had to buy a new workstation and needed something mobile because of my travels, I opted for what the theory would be better ... and I was wrong.

 

I hate nvidia.

[Dimitris Tolios]

You ate the wrong pill already, but have you considered the option replacing the card with a GTX or AMD offering? I've never done it myself by I think Clevos give you that versatility...it can be a nightmare with poor support and doing it yourself might void warranties and such (scammmmmmmmm) but you might end up swapping it for less than you think...

 

Bitch and complain about it to Clevo and return it for another model in the long run

[leandromartins]

You gave a great idea.

 

But I think it is not possible.

 

My Clevo P270WM the model is also sold as Sager NP9270, Eurocom Panther 3.0 and Powernote P270.

 

In my case I bought for powernote guess and will not be possible to change that.

 

The Quadro 5010m is not bad, and a performance table is nice but could be better if not for the fact of missing the correct driver.

[Dimitris Tolios]

You gave a great idea.

 

But I think it is not possible.

 

My Clevo P270WM the model is also sold as Sager NP9270, Eurocom Panther 3.0 and Powernote P270.

 

In my case I bought for powernote guess and will not be possible to change that.

 

The Quadro 5010m is not bad, and a performance table is nice but could be better if not for the fact of missing the correct driver.

 

You know what, the 675M that is standard for your model is pretty much the same card (similar clocks, 384 cores)...it has 2GB of Ram which I believe are sufficient for what you are doing (still having in mind the 2GB firepro ATIs blowing away 3-4GB quadros in view-port acceleration) or at least just as mediocre at it...sounds like you are doing some pretty intensive stuff that even desktop cards would struggle with.

 

In the long run you will be saving $1900 or so "downgrading" (that's what http://www.avadirect.com/ charges ontop of the "basic" 675M which is still "up-there-with the fastest"), and I think that's enough for you to build a desktop 3930K with a proper GPU, ONTOP of your current beast...at least that's what I see as a "good-enough" deal, as I doubt nVidia devs will spend the man-hours to do you a favor...

[AJLynn]

Well, since Leandro's already got the laptop, the company would need to have a generous return policy and he'd need the patience to start with another computer to make exchanging the thing make sense, and that might not work out. But even without performance drivers, the 5010m is a powerful GPU - if it's not the fastest thing in a laptop right now, it's close - so it's not like you're missing out on anything if you have one, and if nVidia does happen to get around to updating the performance drivers one of these days it may yet prove useful. There are a lot of people in the same position - anybody who's got a Quadro and Max 2012, for example.

[leandromartins]

You know what, the 675M that is standard for your model is pretty much the same card (similar clocks, 384 cores)...it has 2GB of Ram which I believe are sufficient for what you are doing (still having in mind the 2GB firepro ATIs blowing away 3-4GB quadros in view-port acceleration) or at least just as mediocre at it...sounds like you are doing some pretty intensive stuff that even desktop cards would struggle with.

 

In the long run you will be saving $1900 or so "downgrading" (that's what http://www.avadirect.com/ charges ontop of the "basic" 675M which is still "up-there-with the fastest"), and I think that's enough for you to build a desktop 3930K with a proper GPU, ONTOP of your current beast...at least that's what I see as a "good-enough" deal, as I doubt nVidia devs will spend the man-hours to do you a favor...

 

I have a workstation with a gtx 580 for 2GB and it was not enough for my scenes. Need at least 3GB of video ram.

 

Sometimes I do projects with more than 10 different towers, more than 100 different species of vegetation with thousands of instances, out all objects in the scene.

 

I always leave all optimized with few polygons, put the maximum of possible instances, the vrayproxies are optimized with few polygons as well, use xref, but still are scenes giants ...

 

And all the scenes that were heavy on the gtx 580 were much faster in the 5010m.

 

I've done many tests in recent years, and the amount of video memory greatly influences the performance of the viewport.

 

 

Well, since Leandro's already got the laptop, the company would need to have a generous return policy and he'd need the patience to start with another computer to make exchanging the thing make sense, and that might not work out. But even without performance drivers, the 5010m is a powerful GPU - if it's not the fastest thing in a laptop right now, it's close - so it's not like you're missing out on anything if you have one, and if nVidia does happen to get around to updating the performance drivers one of these days it may yet prove useful. There are a lot of people in the same position - anybody who's got a Quadro and Max 2012, for example.

 

Exactly.

 

5010m is a professional video card more powerful than currently exists for notebooks, even without the driver for 3ds max.

 

I do not regret buying the notebook, even because I need mobility.

 

Just think nvidia could have a better position in relation to the support of their boards.

 

I believe that one reason the driver is not released, is the nitrous, but it has many bugs in polygon modeling which does not as a definitive replacement of the default direct x.

[Elliot]

Hello Leandro

 

I have an earlier version of your Sager/Clevo with an earlier Quadro card. This is the 4th Sager/Clevo I have and I do like the laptop. Sager USA is OK. My laptop had an extended warranty and it went back to them the week the warranty expired and they fix it.

 

I am thinking of upgrading to the model you bought with the Quadro 5010 but I was hesitant about this because I think the Quadro's are a scam. On the desktops I have various different Quadros (1500 to the 5000) and I have other desktops with ATI gamer cards. I think the gamers are better and they cost one third the price of a Quadro.

 

NVidia customer service has not been able to help. I think the whole NVidia story about the special drivers is an absolute scam. My ATI video cards are the same as the Quadro or better.

 

I appreciate your posting because it helps with my purchasing decision. The Sager tech support did tell me that if I wanted to spend the money on the Quadro it was OK with them but they did advice that the normal video card they offer performs the same as the Quadro. They had done the same advice on the previous laptop and opted to buy the Quadro just to find out they were correct.

 

Thanks again for your posting. It is an invaluable piece of information for me.

 

Regards

Elliot

Edited May 14, 2012 by Elliot

[leandromartins]

Hello Elliot

 

 

This comparison between gamers and professional boards is tense.

 

Firstly because every time the plates are more advanced and can perform more tasks.

 

Secondly, because there is no detailed studies on this. We have very few articles about it and this is very bad for us.

 

In my comparisons of scenes that were heavy with geforce, they were more fluid in quadros.

 

But it has a point that is important: video memory.

 

The GPU makes a difference in the processing of the scene in the viewport, but the memory video makes a lot more. An advanced gpu makes an object can only be processed faster regardless of the amount of memory, but when we are talking about thousands of objects that often can not be instantiated, there the memory makes all the difference.

 

To make a fair comparison, have to get a geforce and put a scene in it that it is slow. So grab a quadro with of the same gpu and the same amount of memory and test the same scene under the same conditions. Just so we can have a fair comparison.

 

Another question is how heavy it leaves the scene. Can either be a single object as thousands of poorly designed objects in the scene that are optimized for more, will leave the scene by the amount sluggish.

 

My choice for quadro was especially to be able to make the dispersion of vegetation in the scene without having to show them how to box or point.

 

 

Regarding the notebook I'm actually worried now is with another fact:

 

The Clevo stopped manufacturing this platform and even Sager and Eurocom withdrew him from the site.

 

The powernote continues to sell it and I got it just over a week.

 

I'm afraid not have spare parts if it breaks.

 

My guarantee is 2 years, but if it breaks in 2 years and 1 month for example? I'll play it in the trash if the motherboard burn?

 

Regards

Leandro

[Elliot]

Leandro

 

I have several Quadros and several ATI gamer cards. I see no difference among the cards when using 3D MAX. I am not an advanced user of 3D MAX. On SolidWORKS it is a different story, there is a perceived advantage over using the Quadro's. Not a big advantage to justify the Quadro's. I think the whole issue with the Quadro's is a big scam.

 

On the Sager's I was no aware they had discontinued the laptop. That is a strange issue since that was their flagship. I am sure they will do something about the discontinued model. In the office we have had over 10 Sagers/Clevo and they have been good computers. You will be OK. I am sure you will be able to get parts from Clevo.

 

Thanks

Elliot

[michaelcontreras]

hey! can u ppl return to this? im going to buy a moile work station soon, i study architectura and u know what programs i will use... so i was thinking of a quadro ut they are too expensive, i was in a daubt but know i ask if a Nvidia GeForce gtx 680 m is good for that... another questions is that what is more important for a mobile workstation that will work with rendering and cad... ram and video card or processor?