need for help

[nangkri]

hai before.

 

i working at may project,

i rendering .avi file and than, i am edit that file with adobe premiere 6.5 (gift it effect,sound and titel).

but the quality of final rendering is is bad.

 

how to solve this problem please hel me, tanks before.

my computer specification is :

DELL 2400, with pentium 4 2.6 GHz, 768 of RAM, motherboard is intel with intel 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV graphics controller.

[Ras]

Hi Nangkri

 

Which rendering is bad - the output from your 3d package or from Premiere? Since you don´t mention your 3D software I´m assuming the problem lies in the Premiere stage

 

I think you´ll want to look at some compression codecs.

If you install the free Tsunami codec- & filterpack you will get everything you´ll need.

After instaling Tsunami use the DivX codec from within Premiere to compress your movie. It will reduce the filesize a lot but still keep the quality acceptable.

If you have money to by stuff you could get MediaCleaner from Discreet (A friend of mine in the animation business recomends it - I have no personal experience).

 

Oh - about using compression codecs... The end user needs to have it installed for decompression also, of course!

 

... I´m sorry if I misunderstood the problem.

[nangkri]

i use 3dMAX 4.2,and i use cinepak codec by radius.

and i think the problem is in the premiere.

what should i do after i rendering in the .Max

 

tanks before,

[Ras]

Hi Nanang

 

Well - if the filesize is not a problem just use "No compression" - not "Cinepac" or anything else! That should give you more or less the same quality of the raw movie from Max. But you´ll get a huge file.(Maybe Gigs :gebigeek: ).

 

If filesize is an issue(!) - do as I described in the last post... Install the Tsunami - or at least DivX and use that when you are rendering the movie from Premiere. Use the highest settings if you are not putting it on the web or if its a short animation - You can always compress the original more if you need it.

 

If you install the codes properly they should be available from the compression drop-down in Premiere...

 

Also be aware that the outputsize should match the input size... That will reduce the effect of recalculating the raw file... Be sure to render out the animation in the size and ratio you want it from Max - and then do your stuff in Premiere and render out to the same format and ratio. Premiere has more than one place to set these things so be sure to do it the right place (use the manual/help) - and do some short tests untill you know whats going on.

[nangkri]

tanks

bay the way,

what is the diffrent of DIVX and the tsunami.

i try to instal that two item above. but in the premiere that not show up (in MAX they show up).

i confiuse?

 

best regrads

 

nankri

[Ras]

Tsunami is a collection of a lot of different codecs - including DivX!

 

DivX is just that - the DivX codec.

 

For now - you can get just the DivX if you want, although Tsunami has some nice codecs that you can use in other situations - if you have sound for example Tsunami has some sound codecs also.

 

1)

Get the Codec and install it.

 

2)

Render your animation to an .avi fileformat from MAX - preferably uncompressed - if you have enough discspace.

 

3)

Open a new workspace in Premiere - using Video for Windows (PAL or NTSC - depending on your playback facilties - TVs are from what I know either PAL or NTSC depending on their update speed etc.)

 

4)

Do all the effects and stuff you want in premiere.

 

5)

Export the movie to another .avi using the DivX codec available Here: File/Export/Clip/Movie/Compressor(dropdown menu) You´ll have a few different DivX versions to choose from - again it depends on who is playing it back and which codecs they have... If you are only playing it back on your own computer use the latest version - if not maybe use DivX 4.

 

6)

Remember the things I´ve said in the other posts about image size etc...

 

 

In general: Try too read a little about the DivX codec (and codecs in general) on the internet.

[Victor Erthal]

You can try to render to a sequence of tga images instead of avi. You will have full quality images that you can create a sequence in premiere so that you will have a better control of compression versus quality. but thats just me.

[xgarcia]

As safeguard, you should render out sequence of images rather than a single video file (avi, mov). If your program or CPU crashes you at least have some of the animation. You can always load the sequences into Premeire or After Effects and go from there.

[Ras]

I´ve never done it like that myself but I´m sure the others are right... Anyway - the procedure in Premiere with the sequence of single pictures doesn´t affect the rest of the procedure - the codecs and stuff.

 

Victor and Xavier:

How much work is there in Premiere when you do it with sequences of individual pics? I read a thread here yesterday where Strat recommended rendering to Jpg...

 

You should read this Thread Nankri...

[STRAT]

i reccomended it because it is the standard method of rendering out animations - image sequences.

 

if you dont render like this ur being extremely silly.

[Victor Erthal]

Hey Strat! Nice Hat!

Well, i render to tga, because the quality is really awesome, and its not that painfull to work in premiere if you have a good machine. Actually i have never used the jpg format, but ill try and see if theres any difference. I agree that in motion its almost impossible to see the heavy artifacts the jpg usually has. But if you can have an output with top quality to do whatever you want in the post production process, welll... Why not?

[Ras]

No - not silly - unaware and learning.

 

Just didn´t occur to me - not all of us were born CGartists I guess

 

Nankri seemed in need of advice and less aware than myself.

 

Hey - Why don´t one of you guys write a tut on the subject - I´m sure a lot of us will be able to learn from you...

 

[ December 08, 2003, 11:30 AM: Message edited by: Ras ]

[Ernest Burden III]

How much work is there in Premiere when you do it with sequences of individual pics?

One click more, that's it.

 

When you select your files, you can do 'import', select the first frame of the sequence, and just remember to to click the box that says 'numbered sequence' and that is all you have to do. The sequence is loaded in as animation (a window opens to play your files, just drag and drop it to the bin area).

 

The files must be a true sequence--one missed number and it won't read anything after...

[Ras]

Hi Ernest

 

Thanks Well - really does sound silly not to do it like that(!) I´ll try that next time...

 

As I understand it the big advantage is that you´ll always have some of the renderings even though your computer crashes mid-animation?!?

 

Were there some quality advantages also? i.e. more control etc?

 

It sounds like you guys favor After Effects over Premiere - Since we don´t have it at my school and I am a poor architecture student I am interested in hearing how essential After Effects (I guess the name says it all) would be to my (perhaps) future CG studio if I´m not planning to do really fancy stuff.

Also - how and what is it compared to Combustion from Discreet?

 

Actually it´d be nice with a "post production" forum to discuss these kinds of techniques.

[nangkri]

easy guys this forum to discuse about rendering.

i think all of you guys is correct, its now depending of us and offcause our computer...is that true? or i mistake?

maybe i tray one by one ok guys... :ebigrazz:

bay the way tanks for everythink,

and MARRY CRISHTMAS for all who celebrate...and HAPPY NEW YEAR for every one.....

:ebiggrin:

for ras may name is nanang, and may nickname is nangkri not nankri (sorry because my mistake to wrote may nickename nankri)

 

best regrads

 

nangkri

[Ras]

Hi Nangkri and everybody else.

 

Merry Christmas to you too - and a happy Newyear.