fadi3d Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Hi There, i usually work with 3d max design, Vray and photo shop. i use them for interior design and 3d Viz work recently i needed some detailing work so i gave them to someone at the office (he uses Autocad Architecture 2013) a while ago i watche a few tuts about Revit and although it's not too difficult it looked too deep to master and the tut was mainly in 3d. so my question is i i decided to learn one more software to do all an architect needs should i go with Autocad Architecture (which i don't like for some reason) or Revit. i've read that BIM is the future be here everybody is still working in cad (the give me plans as DWG) and very few are switching to Revit. can revit handle all that Autocad does (2d plans, detail drawings etc) note in the tutorial he imported such things from a DWG drawing. is it because Revit is limited in this field? thank you all in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dollus Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 In your part of the world, look into Archicad as well. With Autodesk products, Revit seems to get more development attention than Autocad Architecture so I'd go that route myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klonk Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) I think Revit is one those very promising technologies for the future. In fact, it is probably a tool that is more fun for the sales guys than the actual users if you know what I mean. It is great on paper, with some very cool features, but somehow doesn't feel like it is really ready or as if the developer is more interested in new 'killer features' that sells the product rather than actually developing the usability and precision in it. Since it is now an Autodesk product there is a natural migration path for Autocad users, both psychologically and through various price incentives, and this is likely the main reason it has such a grip on the US market. Perhaps that also creates a certain complacency on Autodesk's part. I loved Revit in the beginning and used it for four years but have decided to give Archicad a try as I feel they seem more committed to the user. From what I've seen it certainly feels more refined and sophisticated, and the 2D portion more than capable, which I really can't say about Revit at this point. Importing Autocad drawings beyond merely referencing them creates an absolute mess in your project, and in just this latest release they added the possibility to dimension diameters. Slanted walls are very cumbersome and has to be done by tricking the software. These kind of basic omissions are in stark conflict with the promise of Revit. I'm in the US so my life would undoubtedly be much simpler with Revit, and I may come back in four-five years, but for now Archicad feels like a more mature tool. YMMV. Edited March 21, 2013 by klonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Matthews Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I have used Revit for architecture and now in construction. While Revit itself has been around for about 10 years it is really coming into common practice now, here in the U.S. I agree with Niclas on nearly every point. I would definitely say that ArchiCAD is more geared towards designers and has a much better user support than Revit. That said, most manufactures (in the U.S.) provide model content (families) for their products. They are not creating ArchiCAD models, or at least not that I have seen. Also, the construction industry in the U.S. has really increased their BIM efforts utilizing Revit and its construction companion Navisworks. Most engineers are using Revit in the U.S. with other plugins to run their analysis. Revit has began integrating the analysis software into the program which is definitely a plus, but they are not quite there yet. To summarize my statements, yes you should learn BIM. Rather it is Revit or ArchiCAd or Microstation, that is going to depend on you location. BIM is the future of design, construction, and facilities management. You would be doing yourself a disservice by not learning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fadi3d Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share Posted March 22, 2013 thanks guys for the info. here Archicad or Microstation is out of the question (in fact most still draw by hand and Autocad 2d) the thing is i am not an architect or an engineer i am a modest interior designer who design in 3d max and try to give my clients photoreal renders of which they are mostly satisfied.my needs are quite simple draw a simple plan and some deatil work for wood, paint, gypsum etc. most people here do these things in Autocad but i reckon if theese simple sings can be done in Revit it will be much better for me to spend the effort there by learning Revit as it seems everybody agrees Revit is the future. am i right can i get by with revit only or will i have to learn autocad also ? regards to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andstef Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 You can work very well with Revit without having to learn autocad. You could download the trial (if that is still available) and give it a try. best regards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andstef Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 You can work very well with Revit without having to learn autocad. You could download the trial (if that is still available) and give it a try. best regards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Matthews Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Fadi, I may be misunderstanding you, so forgive me if I am. In case you do not know what Revit is, it is essentially an intelligent 3D modeling software. By intelligent I mean the 3D geometry has information that is built into it. Rather than creating the model with boxes for walls you actually create a wall with a wall. You build the wall with all of the components that a wall has (structure, finish, etc.). You can add information to the call such as fire ratings, R values, STC ratings, cost, etc. The 2 really powerful advantages are 1)a change in the model is represented everywhere (plans, sections, elevations, etc.) 2)scheduling. You can create schedules in Revit that are very effective. Door schedules, finish schedules, fixture schedules are all very easy to create once you get the hang of it. I suggest that you download the software as suggested and browse the internet for tutorials and simple getting started videos. The only way to really get involved the software is to use it on a project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fadi3d Posted March 23, 2013 Author Share Posted March 23, 2013 Sorry guys but you have to bear with me a bit. Jason i know what Revit is. i worked with it following a tutorial (which i think might be the help done as a video) it is quite long and detailed but not that hard to follow but the thing is in the chapter titled :Drafting views. the author imports DWG into a drafting view and thus is my question: why is that ? couldn't he just do it from within Revit or this just to show that we can (OR Should ?) work with both programs. my needs are very basic i doubt i'll ever need scheduling or Shadow study or some fancy stuff and i know what Revit is capable of but i have doubts it is the tool for very Basic stuff. 90 % i'll go with it since i like the interface better than Autocad so i hope it will be the right decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Matthews Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Understood. The reason he was showing that could be many. The main reasons is if you already have the details done in cad for what ever reason then you can import them and either trace over them to create a revit drafting view or you can leave them as is. If you trace over them in the drafting view then you can use the drafting view in multiple projects. I do t like using cad because it weighs down the program especially on large projects. I use revit on everything from small home additions and renovations to large million square feet buildings. Once you get the items created you can use them across multiple projects. Good luck! Jason Matthews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fadi3d Posted March 26, 2013 Author Share Posted March 26, 2013 Thank you all guys esp Jason. i'm sure we'll bump into each other more often in the future when i have something more specific in Revit to struggle with. regards Fadi Soueidi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xEndlessxUrbiax Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 This might be a little late, but you might want to look into just "AutoCAD" instead of "AutoCAD Architecture" if all you are looking for is 2D drawing. We use AutoCAD Architecture in my office, it is a weird mix of AutoCAD and BIM and has a very steep learning curve if you are trying to do anything BIM related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fadi3d Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 i am afraid you're a bit too late, i've already started with autocad architecture and yes it's true i find it more difficult than Revit (with which i played before and found it more straightforward) i guess the reason is Revit is BIM from the ground up whilst Autocad architecture was made so in increments. anyway my ddecision was influenced by my Boss since he works at the office (as the rest of the team) with autocad. thank you anyway regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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