HELP!!! Rendering in Vray for Rhino

[kellyjohnson]

Hi I am doing architectural visualization for a firm in new york. I am a student so I am still learning some things about vray. I am using vray with rhino. I am having 2 problems.

1) the lighting is splotchy

2) the render doesn't look realistic

Can you tell me how to make it better? I would really appreciate any suggestions. My boss wants zaha-like renderings so thats what the ideal is

 

Here is a sample of where i'm at, I still have a long way to go:

[Devin Johnston]

Kelly I don't know who your boss is but he's and idiot.

 

Having said that your lighting is blotchy because your GI settings are too low and to make more realistic renderings you'll just need to learn in a few days what has taken the rest of us years. Honestly your boss is an idiot and you should quit that job.

[kellyjohnson]

My boss is awesome and I don't appreciate your attitude. I am 21 how old are you like 35? I'm just an intern I'm not getting paid and I don't know much but I am trying damn hard to learn in a reasonable amount of time, thankyou.

 

Thanks for the help though with the GI though

[Scott Schroeder]

How exactly are you lighting this? You may just have to forget the fancy-dancy sunset lighting and just go with a good ole daytime shot. Those are easier to master in a shorter time. Then, when you have that figured out you can learn the more tricky evening lighting rigs. The very first thing I teach my students is daytime to get them familiar with the process.

 

Your boss may not be an idiot but he's asked you, an unpaid intern who is still learning, to produce something that is similar to work done by professionals with many years of experience. That's kind of an unrealistic expectation. I mean nothing against you, but it's just seems like a bad situation for anyone.

[Devin Johnston]

My boss is awesome and I don't appreciate your attitude. I am 21 how old are you like 35? I'm just an intern I'm not getting paid and I don't know much but I am trying damn hard to learn in a reasonable amount of time, thankyou.

 

Thanks for the help though with the GI though

 

Your boss took someone strait out of school, isn't paying them and asked them to produce professional quality work with little to no experience, that is foolish. I am not saying you won't be able to figure this out but it will take lots of time; the reason I said what I said about him is because he thinks this stuff is easy and anyone can do it. It shows me he has no idea what goes into making a "zaha" rendering and I suspect he doesn't care.

[Francisco Penaloza]

Short answer for Kelly Johnson.

1) this can be for 2 main reasons,

a: your poor illumination source, maybe using an JPG image instead of an HDRI to illuminate your scene. if you are using IBL technique

b: very low GI values, the manual of VRay has very good examples how to fix this, it is very detailed explaining how the system works.

 

2) since you are still learning your software I don't think you can archive the image that your boss is asking for in his production time,(I really wish I am wrong) I am pretty sure you have short time to do this, besides "Photo realistic" it is wrongly word used nowadays, I rather say a nice professorial image instead a photo real try, I'v seen several occasion where a Photo real rendering is showing to many flaws in the design that at the end is better do a nice concept rendering instead a photo recreation.

from your preview rendering the design seems in a very early stage I am sure a photo real image won't help in this case.

 

Now to other main point we can rescue from this thread IMHO. no need to read if you don't have time

 

Why I didn't tell you exactly what button to push? well because there is not a magic solution for this, and I am pretty sure you don't want to be your boss button pusher. Learning your software tool will make you a better professional. I understand your position, being the new guy, the lowest of the chain in an architectural firm it is hard, you are full of dreams and energy trying to show what you can do and trying to gain a position in your company, this is all great, but sadly it seems that in your company they do not have experience doing pro looking renderings and I am pretty sure they are very miss informed with all the software propaganda, that "now is very easy to get photo realistic images"

I'v seen this thread all over for a while and I think WE should do something about, Devin and Scoot, what about to create a thread in this forum to talk about this and maybe look for a solution, to first, maybe create a section for newcomers with basic information about the software we use, so is easy to access and nobody repeat the same info over and over again.

The second point is how we ca approach a reactive way to teach our clients or partners about what really take to do pro visualization and maybe help our software companies to not miss inform the general public about the capabilities of the software, the "render killer" does not exist we all know that.

my two cents.

Fco.

[Scott Schroeder]

Thread hijack time. An awesome boss doesn't tell someone new to "Make me some Zaha renderings." and then leaves you to it. Sort of the teaching someone to swim by chucking them into the deep ocean. Not a pool and not the deep end of a pool, but the ocean. What an awesome boss would do, would be to sit down with you and help you through the process.

 

Hopefully if you can't match your boss's expectations it won't reflect negatively on you during a review or for subsequent positions. If that does, then that is some serious BS. We don't know you, Kelly, or your boss or your situation. However when you have had success in this industry down the line a few years from now, myself and many other people, will assure you that you will look back at this boss and realize that he wasn't exactly that awesome. Us old timers have dealt with these people before and they are all snake oil salesmen type people. Your boss reminds me of a creative director I once worked for who had no clue what he was doing. He just threw buzz words around like he knew what they meant. His most common phrase was, "Sprinkle a little GI on it." At the core he was a fartist. That is someone who talks a lot like they know what they are doing but really doesn't do sh*t when it comes time.

 

But back to the original question. If you show us your lighting setup and what you are going for, we can help you. We'll even keep the salty old timer wisdom to a minimum.

[Mario De Achadinha]

Hi kelly

 

I suppose that most of us who have been in this industry for a while, have been burnt by bosses that you have described! In general no one means to put you down or give you bad advice, its actually the opposite to give you good advice just to watch out for certain employers who take advantage. At the same time I understand where you coming from you just want to earn your stripes and make an impact. Bottom line is there is no quick fix to making great renders you need to put in the time and think carefully about what you want to achieve! The advice given earlier about using generic sunlight is a good one keep it simple. Want to enhance it then do the rest in post. Word of advice learn photoshop and read all you can about post work, tons of sources just google. But any good start for lighting begins with that image of inspiration that you would like to model your lighting off. At the moment your lighting does not look real because that sky and mood is something I have not seen in the real world only in a horror movie:) not insulting you just being honest. Any questions are welcome

 

Mario

[ARTE DELLA VITA]

lol, weired one, imet many bosses who think its easy to "render" and make pretty pictures but this one is funny man