New machine configuration

[Maros]

Hi all, I am buying new machine, I found some configuration and for me is the best this config:

 

2,5" SSD HDD OCZ Vertex 3 Series 120GB SATA III

Intel® Core i7 3930K 3.2GHz, BOX (2011)

Noctua NH-U12P SE2

MB Asus P9X79 DELUXE (2011)

Seasonic X-750 ( SS-750KM3 F3 ) Active PFC F3 80+ Gold

ASUS GTX670-DC2T-2GD5 DirectCU II TOP

Corsair 32GB KIT DDR3 1866MHz CL10 Vengeance

ASUS DVD-RW 24B5ST/BLK/B/AS

Fractal Design Define XL USB3.0 Titanium Grey

 

So what you think guys ? I am not good in HW.

Mainly for rendering (3d Max, V-Ray) and After Effects.

Budget 2000euro

Thanks

[Sauger]

Why not go for the 4gb GTX 670?

If ever want to use a GPU render, the extra vram will be worth gold on complex scenes.

 

In my local shop the price difference is minor.

[Maros]

For example GIGABYTE N670OC-4GB have 1058MHz boost clock and 2GB asus have 1137MHz! boost clock. I am not sure if better is more GB's or more clock speed ?

[dhammikaherath]

My advice also, go with the 4GB. There will be no different between 1058 and 1137 MHZ boost clock speed. While you are working with a complex scene that extra 2GB will worth more than anything.

Overall you have nicely configured your machine. 750W PSU will be more than enough for your configuration but just in case if you’re thinking of going for 2 or more graphic cards try to go for a PSU above 1000W.

[Sauger]

The 4gb is the difference of being able to render a large scene at all on a GPU render, the boost clock speed will perhaps gain you a couple of % faster renderspeed.

 

It even matters in games if play at highres with multi monitors.

[dhammikaherath]

I really can’t agree about that Sauger.

1. Mental Ray and Vray not using GPU while you are rendering.

2. 4GB mainly worth in 2 cases.

i. For the viewport performances & you can load extra maps when Vram is higher.

ii. If you are using GPU based rendering then again GPU has to have enough memory to load the whole scene. This will increase the whole render process.

[Sauger]

I said if! use a "GPU render", both MR and Vray have GPU render.

[Dimitris Tolios]

* The SSD is kinda small and you have no HDD...workstation with 120GB will be full in no-time.

 

* NH-U12P SE2 : are you sure this works with s2011 - think it doesn't come with such mount. You want the NH-D14 or equiv.

 

* Mobo: the deluxe offers what over the Pro that you need? Too much money. If you wanted 4x GPUs the WS would be the choice, otherwise the pro or even the vanilla P9x79 are fine and can handle the overclocks air coolers can sustain. Add the diff towards a bigger SSD and a HDD.

 

* The 670s overclock to that boost through software very easy. For games and if you GPU render that is. Drivers will very rarely allow a GTX to go into boost, or even more than 50% utilization in viewport acceleration. A K2000 that you can get for equiv. price will embarrass it in viewports any day.

The 670 does work ok with Premiere and AE.

 

* Make sure RAM is Low profile (LP). Regular Vengeance and equiv. models with large heatspreaders will have issues with cpu cooler clearance. The only remedy is a smaller air cooler or a watercooler ala H80i or better (fwi: H80i > H100 > H100i)

 

* Great case

Edited April 20, 2013 by dtolios

[Maros]

Yeah thank you all. Go for the 4GB's graphic card.

 

* I have HDD (forgot to mention). I want only fast SSD with programs and other stuff will be on HDD

 

* for CPU cooler go for the NH D14 or H100i ? water cooling is better ? for example in future i want overclock cpu...

 

* so P9X79 Pro is my choice

 

* Changed to low profile RAM

[Dimitris Tolios]

Yeah thank you all. Go for the 4GB's graphic card.

 

* I have HDD (forgot to mention). I want only fast SSD with programs and other stuff will be on HDD

 

* for CPU cooler go for the NH D14 or H100i ? water cooling is better ? for example in future i want overclock cpu...

 

* so P9X79 Pro is my choice

 

* Changed to low profile RAM

 

Depending on the O/C % water cooling is ofc better, but not when we are talking closed loop (factory filled and sealed AIO coolers like the Corsair Hydro line). The H100 struggles to match the performance of the NH-D14 in medium fan settings, and barely passes it for 1 deg. or so in "extreme" or high settings where ppl report it is "unbearably" loud.

 

The H100i is the newer version, based on another OEM manufacturer and unfortunately it is NOT better than the H100. It is slightly worse.

The newer H80i on the other hand, is better than both the 240mm H100 and H100i using a single 120mm double width radiator and push-pull fans.

 

Still neither is "better" than the NH-14D...realistically performance is the same. I don't believe you can sustain the 3930K at 4.5GHz below 80-85oC with either. You need a custom / open loop water cooling kit to do so. A decent starter kit would be the XSPC RayStorm 750 RS240.

 

Such kits are available around $145-150 in the US, and ofc are customizable to later accept more or bigger radiators, pumps GPU waterblocks etc. Paying $70 for a NH-D14 or a Thermalright Silver Arrow (what i personally use) is one thing. If you were to go >$100 for any AIO water cooler, the XSPC 750 kits are $40 or so more and much better. The "750" is referred to their pump/watertank assembly which is not the best, but great value. Variants with the D5 super duper pump are $80 more but overkill imho for CPU-only loops and a single rad...the Raystorm waterblock is among the best available (for many the best).

[Maros]

Great explaining Dimitris

 

Thanks for your time. I think NH-D14 will be my choice.

[easy3dsource]

I know you'll have a HDD for the majority of your files, but I would still highly recommend getting a larger SSD. Certain programs (like photoshop, after effects, etc.) create cache files while you use them, which can grow to be very large depending on the project. Also; I'm not sure if you were planning on having your OS installed on the HDD, and only programs on the SSD, but I would highly suggest also having your OS on the SSD. Assuming you go with windows 7, you're already looking at 40-50 GB (I can't remember exactly how much) being eaten up.

 

I know you mentioned you have to keep this all under budget, so if you have to skimp somewhere else, I'd say get an i7 3700K instead of the 39XX; then make sure you get a motherboard that allows for easy overclocking (along with a decent CPU fan) and O.C. your CPU just a little bit

[Maros]

I changed SSD to Samsung SSD840 256GB. Hope it will be enough. Now I have borrowed pc with 55GB SSD and 1GB free space . Its terrible.

 

Thanks Alexander

[RyderSK]

Cau Maros,

 

ak sa smiem pridat.

 

1st I would always follow what Dimitris has to say :- ) Best hardware advice here given.

 

Anyway, since both my top workstations are almost identical to yours (down to always using Fractal cases, even for our new giant renderfarm), I can give some in-hand experience.

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The Noctua cooler while can't be directly mounted to 2011, the converter costed me 3 euros I think. Nevertheless, I am not as satisfied with it as my other high-end Coolermaster cooler, which is Tower based with airflow sideways instead of direct like Noctua. The general airflow will be better inside FractalCases.

 

The FractalXL is incredible, I also have one regular, and I am pissed I didn't just buy another XL instead (because the cooling is so much more silent), for gtx670 I would buy one additional 12cm cooler for frontal air intake. The Fractal cooler that comes default with case (only one in front) cost only 12 euros and will make for better airflow than by default with only single one. Only 12cm fits in front, 14cm everywhere else, but you won't ever need them.

 

I do vote for GTX670 with 4GB, even do I never plan on GPU rendering with it. The cost difference might be worth it for scene stability when you go truly high with poly count (and start to encounter glitches and infamous "driver stopped working",etc..).

 

Low-profile is gifted, any other won't fit :- ) I can guarantee, I was once stupid enough to buy those (completely unnecessary) fancy coolers only to find out I can only use 2 out of 4 dimm slots.

 

That's all, enjoy new machine !

 

Here is the older workstation we have (only gtx660 here), FractalXL, and Coolermaster instead of Noctua, to illustrate some points

 

Edited April 21, 2013 by RyderSK

[Maros]

Ahoj Juraj,

 

Yesterday I found Dimitris page PCFoo.com, there are very usefull information about HW. Know it sooner .

 

So, in my local shop datacomp.sk found Noctua with attribution Noctua NH-D14 SE2011. I am not sure if there is any converter but hope it will be fit. You mentioned Coolermaster cooler. Which one you though ? I found Cooler Master TPC 812.

 

Tha Fractal I chose only for price and how look , then I google it and found good reviews.

 

I swapped from 2GB to 4GB GTX 670 as was said earlier.

Your older workstation looks good.

 

Cant hardly wait for new workstation

[Dimitris Tolios]

Newer versions of all mid range (cm 212) and high end coolers come with s2011 mounts.

They would not miss on the fact that s2011 cpus come with no factory cooling options out of the box.