M V Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57582735-92/adobe-kills-creative-suite-goes-subscription-only/ What's everyone's take on this? How many of you are going to be using CS6 or older for a looooonnng time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beestee Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Photoshop is probably one of the most stolen pieces of software, cannot say that I am surprised that Adobe has decided to go this route. A commitment to this pricing for an extended term would go a long way, or at least a "grandfather" policy for those that keep up their sub continuously. As it stands now, adobe's customers have to put faith in two potential situations. 1. Adobe will not become lazy in the development of their software due to the steady income. 2. Adobe will not drastically and unreasonably increase their pricing. My take is that adobe is making room for competitors to step up their game and run away with some of the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Schroeder Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 What has caused some confusion is what exactly are they doing with this? Some folks have said they are going to all subscription based and others have said they are going to keep individual license software but stop selling them in physical stores, everything is moving to digital download. Here's the link to CGtalk that talks about this: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=7578454#post7578454 We have a copy of the creative cloud suite at work and it's pretty nice. Except when it's a deadline and our ISP suffers a city wide outage. Then you wish you had the good ole hard copy. But for roughly $600 a year subscription price, that's far less than what Photoshop and After Effects would cost together as stand alone. Though, for me personally, I would hope they allow you to pick and choose which software. I really only need Photoshop and After Effects, maybe InDesign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Penaloza Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I as freelancer the Creative cloud is a perfect solution, although I already own Cs5 and before that Cs was my companion for years, I think CC is a great option for people like me, no need to invest tons of money at front to have all the tools that you'll need, but I also agree in all the point mentioned. Our industry it been under a technological revolution for years now, all this "cloud" new power will open even more doors and ideas that we don't even have them yet, maybe this is the way all the software companies will work on the future, maybe in ten years we will making fun of good old DVD boxes, like we do with Floppy disk now, who know. Abode absolutely control this market and so far I feel they don't have the Bully attitude that other companies have with prices or their subscriptions, I always though the single prices for software where pretty fair for what they are, hope they keep that in mind. Now I'm not sure if I ever use all the software offered in the CC for any of my projects, but at $30 month, I think is a good deal for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamondayfan Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 How does the CC work? I presume you download all the software, and then just run some kind of on-line licence every-time you open the software? If that's the case, then people are still going to be able to crack it, so I can't see it being for anti-piracy reasons. Also how does the licening work for computers that don't have internet access, for example if you're out of office? For me, the pricing is debatable. It's £27.34 per month as I use CS5 Production Premium. From the suite I only regularly use Photoshop and After Effects. With CC you can use any of their software, which for me is a bit annoying. I don't understand why you can't tailor your own suite, and just pay for what you need. I think the CC will be a good move, and will encourage more people to move away from pirate copies as the initial cost isn't there any more, and will allow users to budget properly. The key here is that Adobe keep updating their software and pushing new products and ideas, otherwise there will be a lot of annoyed loyal users. Perhaps this is the future of software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beestee Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Do I need ongoing Internet access to use my Creative Cloud desktop applications? No. Your Creative Cloud desktop applications (such as Photoshop and Illustrator) are installed directly on your computer, so you won't need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis. You will need to be online when you install and license your software. If you have an annual membership, you'll be asked to connect to the web to validate your software licenses every 30 days. However, you'll be able to use products for 180 days even if you're offline. If adobe uses a revolving algorithm that generates different verification data every 30 days then it is possible that anyone "cracking" it would be stuck in an endless cycle that they could never win. So while it may be possible for it to be cracked, at the very least it will be a hassle for anyone involved in trying to use the software without paying for it. EDIT: Link to the CC FAQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 I have been using CC from day 1, about a year ago. As such, I got a first-year cost of $30/month. I was just starting a project that needed the newest version of Premiere and I was still using the Master Suite CS3. So it was a charge of at least $2000 or $30 ... hum ... Now, after that year I keep paying and paying, but it's still less than $400 vs. that steep multi-version upgrade. Yes, I worry about the need for phoning home every time I use it, but I bet it will work for a day or two even with an internet outage. So far, so good. I'm very happy with CC. I did get a very lengthy survey from Autodesk about my interest/thoughts in them doing a similar thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Schroeder Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 http://www.fastcodesign.com/1672530/adobe-5-reasons-we-killed-the-creative-suite I'd for sure get the Photoshop and AE cloud for home use, but I'm still not sold on getting the whole suite. There would just be too much software that I don't use, but it seems Adobe is really pushing the entire suites out. Though, seriously, how many iterations can they come out with for their products in a year or even 2 years? A new way to do levels? A new slider in After Effects? The potential for feature creeps is now becoming those ominous storm clouds on the horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braddewald Posted May 7, 2013 Share Posted May 7, 2013 Having Dreamweaver, Acrobat, Photoshop, Bridge, Lightroom, Illustrator and After Effects easily make the suite worth while. My questions is when will Autodesk move to the same model. I would love to have access to the new version of Max, Maya, Mudbox, Autocad and Revit for a monthly fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamondayfan Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 My questions is when will Autodesk move to the same model. I would love to have access to the new version of Max, Maya, Mudbox, Autocad and Revit for a monthly fee. That is a very good point, Adobe give you access to everything. I can't see Autodesk doing exactly the same thing, as their products are priced much much higher. If mudbox and max were available monthly then I'd take them up on that! Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 My questions is when will Autodesk move to the same model... That was the point of the survey I did. Since it was from Autodesk it was overly complicated and rigid. It was page after page of would you pay this much for this combination of products, or, how about that much for that bundling, on and on. But it was all about subscription/cloud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beestee Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Autodesk is certainly teetering on the same model. Where I am working, anyone that uses at least 2 of the products included in the Building Design Suite Premium has a subscription seat of it because of the cost of the individual products in comparison. The hodge podge of products in these suites feels like an experiment though, probably to gather data on what products they could successfully bundle together for a cloud subscription service. Carl Bass said not too long ago that they were moving everything to the cloud...people were pretty upset about it at the time and I think he even went back on his statement to "clarify" what he meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Schroeder Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 I wouldn't mind if Autodesk did this. As long as they adopt the Adobe licensing model where you check in every 30 days to make sure your license is correct/valid. If you don't have internet, you can still work on your daily tasks. If you don't check in every 30 days, you still have 180 days grace period to check in before you get locked out. However, if Autodesk makes it an always on connection, then I'm getting my torch lit and heading to their headquarters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Penaloza Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 IMO Autodesk is making way more money selling theirs Bundle subscription than Adobe does with theirs CS packages, and if it is so why they will do something different?? Now that survey that you guys talk about I though it was to research for new cloud dependent software, Autodesk has a clear orientation to pro-sumers software, I think they are planing in strip out some software and or create half way new ones and sell them with cloud connection, for anybody to use, with a monthly payment of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klonk Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Maybe it's a mental thing but I'm hesitant to be tied up with yet another subscription. I assume they, like the iTunes model, wants you registered with credit card so that they can easily add new offerings, perhaps sell brushes, clipart and what have you not. I do think there is a value in having access to the software without the initial huge down payment, but at some point you should be allowed to keep the software running if you decide to drop out. What I don't understand is why this would mean more frequent upgrades and development. You still have to download the software, it's really is only the licensing that is cloud based from what I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 (edited) You still have to download the software, it's really is only the licensing that is cloud based from what I understand. Correct. And there is a Manager that shows all available software so you only install the ones you want, it also checks for updates. There have been several minor ones within the last year. So far, so good. Really. Edited May 8, 2013 by Ernest Burden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamondayfan Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I do think there is a value in having access to the software without the initial huge down payment, but at some point you should be allowed to keep the software running if you decide to drop out. That's not how it would ever work, you'd get people paying for 1 month, then cancelling and having a full licence. That's like saying my Sky TV should work if I stopped the monthly payments. What I don't understand is why this would mean more frequent upgrades and development. You still have to download the software, it's really is only the licensing that is cloud based from what I understand. I think it would give more freedom to the developers to update the software when needed. With Autodesk at the moment they have 1 big release every year around April / May time. This is why I believe some years the latest release has been below par, and you then see multiple updates months later. Features should be added and improved as soon as they are ready, not dependant on a 12 month cycle. That's my understanding anyway. Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Penaloza Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 This cloud idea has good stuff on it, but canceling the option to choose if you want to use or not I don't think is right. here is a link for anybody that think the same http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model#share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klonk Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 That's not how it would ever work, you'd get people paying for 1 month, then cancelling and having a full licence. That's like saying my Sky TV should work if I stopped the monthly payments. Well, by saying 'at some point' I obviously didn't mean after 1 month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beestee Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I think it would give more freedom to the developers to update the software when needed. With Autodesk at the moment they have 1 big release every year around April / May time. This is why I believe some years the latest release has been below par, and you then see multiple updates months later. Features should be added and improved as soon as they are ready, not dependant on a 12 month cycle. That's my understanding anyway. Dean Bingo. Yearly subs lead to features being saved or reserved as "carrots" that are dangled in front of the users to get them to justify the yearly cost. Monthly subs can be justified by the user as long as the product continues moving forward. IToo Software is a good example of this sort of development working efficiently and effectively for both the developer and the user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klonk Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 (edited) On the other hand, if you have to be on a subscription in order to use it at all, there really isn't that much incentive for Adobe to develop it further. At least a yearly major release puts some pressure on the developer. I think we all agree that this is not an altruistic move by Adobe. As I said earlier, the main advantage is that it now has a lower price threshold for many, and I would be ok with it if they let me keep my latest version if I drop out after 2 or 3 years or so. Edited May 9, 2013 by klonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 my general feeling is that its a scam aimed at less innovation and more steady sales - locking people into so called 'upgrade' paths. whats going to happen more and more is that adobe will collude with hardware manufactures to and only support certain stuff. this happens to an extent allready. its all kind of inevitable though! ill never buy it for home use thats for sure but maybe i wont need to if i have a subscription via work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Wienerroither Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 The main problem for me is that you have to have a valid subscription to even have access to your OWN project files. That means essentially you have to pay to be able to use your own work. No way i would ever allow such a scarying factor sneak into my workflow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 The main problem for me is that you have to have a valid subscription to even have access to your OWN project files... Why do you think that? Save to your HD and the files stay with you for as long as you like. The only thing that is 'cloud' about CC is the licensing, as someone pointed out earlier. Sure, there are features for on-line work and storage but you don't have to use them. I don't. And there are reasons why doing a subscription plan may help with innovation. When software is licensed by version, the maker cannot add features without some tax issues, they can only fix bugs. It's an accounting thing once explained on CGtalk by someone from Maxon, responding to a user demanding something be added. Perhaps the subscription model gets around that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Wienerroither Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) You have to be on subscription to open your own project files. Thats it ... With this you are not only renting their software but you are renting into your own projects accessability No active subscription = no access to your own projects Easy as that Edited May 10, 2013 by spacefrog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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