M V Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 "I have no money and need it tomorrow." How are you guys dealing with the penny pinching on our industry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dollus Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Sometimes it's best to just turn down the work and wish them well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Schroeder Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 I love this video more every time I see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tella Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Lately in Spain, after the client has "taken the highlights" he also decides he's goning to pay you after 120 days because... That's how he does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M V Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 Love that vid! Can't believe it but I have heard every single one of those things in the last year. Do they teach these tactics when you get an MBA or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Schroeder Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 All kidding aside, this is probably one of the best videos out there on the subject. It's about 40 minutes that will be well worth your time, you can even just let it run in the background and listen while you work all the live-long day. Mike Monteiro; F*ck you. Pay me. The Goodfellas clip referenced... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heni30 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 (edited) I had one who client who I invoiced and he sent me a check for 25% less. He said "You were charging me too much." I was so impressed by his b*lls that I let it slide - it wasn't a super huge amount. Edited July 11, 2013 by heni30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amanbhargava Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Best way to avoid these situations IMO is to set the rules before the project is underway, preferably in the first meeting you have with the client. We usually take an advance payment of 20-25% before the start of the project. And if the client looks shady (by the end of the project, you can tell if the guy is a good paymaster or not), we take full payment before delivery. A little harsh, but I've spent a good deal of time just waiting for payments after working my ass off because the client's need was "urgent". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamondayfan Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 I think it's a trend world wide in almost all sectors. The "**** you, pay me" video is a great watch, and really inspiring, especially if you're in a non-payment situation! Personally I love this poster which is very applicable to our industry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianzajac Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Great videos and infographic - a great way to start off my day since I'm doing the accounting. Our rule of thumb at 3DAS has almost always been for new clients: 1/4 - 1/2 up front (based on size of the project) & watermark the image / animation until the payment has been fully met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamondayfan Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Great videos and infographic - a great way to start off my day since I'm doing the accounting. Our rule of thumb at 3DAS has almost always been for new clients: 1/4 - 1/2 up front (based on size of the project) & watermark the image / animation until the payment has been fully met. Watermarking images is something that I've never done, as payment is generally 30 days after invoice / end of the project. I generally trust my contract in case of bad situations. So how do you manage, do you have payment on completion, sit on the images for a few weeks, or something else? Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianzajac Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Watermarking images is something that I've never done, as payment is generally 30 days after invoice / end of the project. I generally trust my contract in case of bad situations. So how do you manage, do you have payment on completion, sit on the images for a few weeks, or something else? Dean I find it amazing how quickly a new client pays once they get the final image with the watermark and in many cases, the payment comes to us in days. The key to this is to educate the new client from the contract start and before you complete the high-res render and/or final animation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamondayfan Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 I find it amazing how quickly a new client pays once they get the final image with the watermark and in many cases, the payment comes to us in days. The key to this is to educate the new client from the contract start and before you complete the high-res render and/or final animation. Do you not find with larger companies the payments / account are different departments, or have a strict payment regime in place? Most I companies I work for are 30 days after invoice, some are 60, which is bloody awful for cash-flow!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianzajac Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 For us, new accounts with larger firms come from referrals so those fall under a different category and payments are dealt with on a case-by-case basis. In general if my referral has gotten good payment history from that firm, we will allow the 30 days payment after invoice without the watermark. I don't believe we've ever allowed 60 day payment windows from a new client without a watermark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M V Posted July 12, 2013 Author Share Posted July 12, 2013 All kidding aside, this is probably one of the best videos out there on the subject. It's about 40 minutes that will be well worth your time, you can even just let it run in the background and listen while you work all the live-long day. Mike Monteiro; F*ck you. Pay me. The Goodfellas clip referenced... Saw this and went out and bought is book a year ago. Very important for all of us to read it. Twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M V Posted July 12, 2013 Author Share Posted July 12, 2013 I had one who client who I invoiced and he sent me a check for 25% less. He said "You were charging me too much." I was so impressed by his b*lls that I let it slide - it wasn't a super huge amount. Yep - seen this one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M V Posted July 12, 2013 Author Share Posted July 12, 2013 These are all the things I do. 50% deposit, watermarked drawings and now I still have client that says he wants the unmarked finals before he pays my final invoice. Basically, he was yelling at me on the phone last night telling me that I was being unprofessional because I was not trusting him. Then proceeded to tell me that he knows how we do business up in the North and he is from the South and this just is not the way they do things. Oh, so down south you can walk into a department store and take something off the rack and walk out of the store and just tell them you will pay them when you get home. He has already told me 3 times already he was going to pay me and then it was one excuse after another. I call the the guy and then he goes off on a rant telling me I am "losing out on thousands of dollars of other work in the future". I don't think for a minute I am going to get paid by this individual. I am pretty certain he will take the watermarked renders and use them as he pleases. No clause in my contract can ever prevent unprofessional bullies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianzajac Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 I don't think for a minute I am going to get paid by this individual. I am pretty certain he will take the watermarked renders and use them as he pleases. No clause in my contract can ever prevent unprofessional bullies. Unless he goes bankrupt, you have the power of reviewing his business all throughout the internet. It's the great "bully equalizer". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anwarhakim Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Recently, In my 3yrs of Work Exp i got Jacked-Up first time with this person whom i freelanced for. I started work in feb 2013 as i had got back from Vacation so i needed money. I worked for him without Initial Pay ( I was Blind I think ). He promised me to pay by march once i had completed sets of low quality works. March Passed he did not pick up Gave his Phone to his wife saying me he has travelled Dubai. April & May & June. We were frustrated at my House. I called up with all no.s but that Shit Face din pick or gave his Wife. I could not enter his House coz of his Family that coward use to be at home. Though Last week we fought with his Bro loud voice and then eventually his Brothers saying go file up the Case to Police. IM making sure I Rape Him badly so that he does not do this Again. Well i beilive he is been doing this from years and in the end he gets his Wife like a coward. This is what i get a Msg from him :- Anwar, From the last few weeks you have been harassing my wife and family. You have been getting people involve to harass my family and wife for no reason at all. Please put in your mind that I do not have to pay you anything. I have asked my wife to speak my lawyer and my Kafeel. By next week my lawyer will call you and your friend Abu Ahmed from the number he had called my wife. Hence please deal with him not with my family. I will come to Kuwait next week. Alyadyl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heni30 Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) I jokingly suggested paying a couple of thugs (cheaper than a lawyer and probably more effective) to pay clients a friendly visit. But collections agencies will aggressively harass a debtor for a percentage of the amount (highly motivated) and also small claims court might be an option. Edited July 13, 2013 by heni30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M V Posted July 15, 2013 Author Share Posted July 15, 2013 It's amazing that we get screwed globally as a profession. What I tried to explain to my client is that watermarking and deposits are the only way I can protect myself. They said it was bad business and distrustful. Some clients are just never going to be repeat clients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 If you don't want to be a doormat, then don't lie in front of the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 i thought this thread was going to be about people doing bloody renders of white rooms with 'shabby chic' styling and close ups of inane objects from evermotion libraries its got to have a sjdbfhfsbhjbf furry hair and fur look i can do it rug thrown over a chair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 or any of those really dull bourgeois houses that are on ronald berkman every week :lol: its like a weird cg version of 'Better Homes' or something. Used by people to pick out generic styles. gonna get dated FAST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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